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> Jack Ma: [...] we decided on our own to break up and make sure I don't have too much power Actually very good, would be nice if a few Western companies were

> Jack Ma: [...] we decided on our own to break up and make sure I don't have too much power Actually very good, would be nice if a few Western companies were splitted this way.

Barrin92 4y ago
It's pretty common for Western companies to adopt this holding firm type structure, as the article points out it echoes Google's restructuring to Alphabet.
- jewba 4y ago
  Although you could say that the outcome could be considered the same, the motivations behind it are completely different, as the parent comment mentions
- meh8881 4y ago
  It cannot remain a holding company if these businesses are expected to IPO though, can it?
  - johngalt_ 4y ago
    They can keep a stake in the companies after the IPOs, even higher than 50%.
  - culturestate 4y ago
    Sure it could. There's nothing (other than the government, presumably) stopping them from listing six separate companies with, for example, dual-class share structures that leave substantially all voting power to Alibaba Holdings Ltd.
Quarrelsome 4y ago
Its good when the government is democratically elected. When its more autocratic like the direction Xi is taking the CCP is just means one power has less challengers which opens the door to catastrophic failure and thoughtless cruelty when the autocratic ruler errs (see the Donbas region today). The challenge the west has is keeping its democratic institutions strong enough to stand up to wall street, the challenge China has is having anything to oppose the tight grip of the CCP.
seydor 4y ago
It will be interesting if china solves the inequality problems that plague western capitalism first. This actually puts pressure on the west to look into inequality as a competitive disadvantage
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  What the heck are you writing about, inequality is part of China's system as much as western one, if not more. All these naïve rich western kids suggesting some variant of communism which will magically cure all capitalism ailments need to spend some years in communism to gain a bit of perspective. Even China moved away from it quite some time ago. You need to somehow motivate the best and brightest to actually perform and not just drown themselves in playing endless politics, otherwise there is no progress and soon you are poor weak punchbag for others. Its doesn't matter if its with camels, shells or cash, this accepts human nature with all warts and whatnot much better than some theories of spoiled kids who never had to work but felt they know it all (ie mr Marx, really one of more pathetic historical figures). These are just power games of paranoid Chinese leader who removes all potential competitors (especially those with huge egos) before they can threaten him and establishment

> Jack Ma: [...] we decided on our own to break up and make sure I don't have too much power Actually very good, would be nice if a few Western companies were splitted this way.

Barrin92 4y ago

It's pretty common for Western companies to adopt this holding firm type structure, as the article points out it echoes Google's restructuring to Alphabet.

jewba 4y ago
Although you could say that the outcome could be considered the same, the motivations behind it are completely different, as the parent comment mentions
meh8881 4y ago
It cannot remain a holding company if these businesses are expected to IPO though, can it?
- johngalt_ 4y ago
  They can keep a stake in the companies after the IPOs, even higher than 50%.
- culturestate 4y ago
  Sure it could. There's nothing (other than the government, presumably) stopping them from listing six separate companies with, for example, dual-class share structures that leave substantially all voting power to Alibaba Holdings Ltd.

Quarrelsome 4y ago

Its good when the government is democratically elected. When its more autocratic like the direction Xi is taking the CCP is just means one power has less challengers which opens the door to catastrophic failure and thoughtless cruelty when the autocratic ruler errs (see the Donbas region today). The challenge the west has is keeping its democratic institutions strong enough to stand up to wall street, the challenge China has is having anything to oppose the tight grip of the CCP.

seydor 4y ago

It will be interesting if china solves the inequality problems that plague western capitalism first. This actually puts pressure on the west to look into inequality as a competitive disadvantage

saiya-jin 4y ago
What the heck are you writing about, inequality is part of China's system as much as western one, if not more. All these naïve rich western kids suggesting some variant of communism which will magically cure all capitalism ailments need to spend some years in communism to gain a bit of perspective. Even China moved away from it quite some time ago. You need to somehow motivate the best and brightest to actually perform and not just drown themselves in playing endless politics, otherwise there is no progress and soon you are poor weak punchbag for others. Its doesn't matter if its with camels, shells or cash, this accepts human nature with all warts and whatnot much better than some theories of spoiled kids who never had to work but felt they know it all (ie mr Marx, really one of more pathetic historical figures). These are just power games of paranoid Chinese leader who removes all potential competitors (especially those with huge egos) before they can threaten him and establishment