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Between the Uyghur Genocide and Jack Ma's disappearance(and drastic change after reappearance), China is scary. Not the kind of scary where you bend the knee, b

Between the Uyghur Genocide and Jack Ma's disappearance(and drastic change after reappearance), China is scary. Not the kind of scary where you bend the knee, but the kind of scary you don't invite them to your birthday party. After I learned of the Uyghur genocide, I decided against having them manufacture my designed parts. Half of it was ethics, half of it was self preservation. Seeing what they did to Ma has convinced me it was the correct decision. Now I just need to find a source of cheap electronics to run my device.

elforce002 4y ago
Are vietnam, singapur, etc.., viable solutions? have you checked if you can get your supplies from LATAM?
weregiraffe 4y ago
>Between the Uyghur Genocide and Jack Ma's disappearance These two are not in the same category.
- glenstein 4y ago
  What's the category?
Workaccount2 4y ago
The push back on banning (social media app) is befuddling to me. It's an egregious national security threat to have the youth of your nation addicted to an algorithm controlled by these same people. Censored because at least on reddit the bots will swoop in on any mention of it.
- bigbillheck 4y ago
  Surely this argument applies to every other country in the world and the allowing or otherwise of facebook, twitter, and so on?
  - Workaccount2 4y ago
    Your argument hinges on the US government and Chinese government being equivalent. In the US you can take the government to court and actually win.
  - bnjms 4y ago
    What is the reason we’re given for banning TikTok? Is it just “China scares us”? Because that’s what it looks like. And that feels like it’s against western ideals. Maybe it’s “tit off tat” setting similar boundaries as what Western companies have to follow in China. That makes sense but I’ve not heard it packed that way. Also our own social media companies are mostly unpopular right now.
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    - stormfather 4y ago
      It's because every corporate entity in China is partially controlled by the CCP and their interests are often diametrically opposed to ours. There's no clear separation between corporate structure and party there. If it's in China's interest to influence our youth through TikTok they will do so.
MSFT_Edging 4y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > While what was happening in Xiajiang wasn't great, it was not a Genocide Nobody mentioned Adrian Zenz—you brought him up as a straw man. The genocide label is based on forced sterilisation, induced abortions, extrajudicial kidnapping and execution, et cetera. These observations are supported by a wide range of sources [1]. The spectre of crimes against humanity has been formally raised by the UN [2]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References [2] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/08/un-human-rights-office-issues-assessment-human-rights-concerns-xinjiang https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/08/un-human-rig...
  - MSFT_Edging 4y ago
    You don't have to mention Adrian Zenz, he's core to the reporting. This AP article for instance, listed in the wikipedia references under the sterilization, https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... "The hundreds of millions of dollars the government pours into birth control has transformed Xinjiang from one of China’s fastest-growing regions to among its slowest in just a few years, according to new research obtained by The Associated Press in advance of publication by China scholar Adrian Zenz." From the UN report: "Prior to 2017, ethnic minorities such as the Uyghurs were allowed to have one more child than Han Chinese, meaning that urban Uyghur couples could have two children and rural Uyghur couples could have three children, while urban Han were allowed one child and rural Han were allowed two children respectively. Overall, the Government reports that the population of XUAR grew from 12.98 million in the 2010 census to 14.93 million in the 2020 census, and that the Uyghur population grew from 10 million in the 2010 census to 11.6 million in the 2020 census, an annual average of 1.52 per cent. 106. In 2017, XUAR amended its regional family planning policy to permit people of all ethnic groups to have two children in urban areas and three in rural, thus equalizing the policy and allowing Han Chinese couples to have equal numbers of children as ethnic minorities.240 The amendments also enhanced enforcement, including through a threefold increase in the “social maintenance payment” payable by persons who violate the policy.241 In June 2021, in line with the new national policy, XUAR introduced the three-child policy for all ethnic groups. 107. Official population figures indicate a sharp decline in birth rates in XUAR from 2017.242 Data from the 2020 Chinese Statistical Yearbook, covering 2019, shows that in the space of two years the birth rate in Xinjiang dropped approximately 48.7 per cent, from 15.88 per thousand in 2017 to 8.14 per thousand in 2019. The average for all of China is 10.48 per thousand." The UN Report has no mention of Executions or Kidnapping. All of the reporting on this comes from groups such as the Heritage Foundation(Far-right think tank). I've gone down this rabbit hole. It was a propaganda stunt.
pjc50 4y ago
> Not the kind of scary where you bend the knee, but the kind of scary you don't invite them to your birthday party. What on earth does this mean?
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- smoldesu 4y ago
  I read it as meaning "non-threatening but uncomfortable to be around".
  - dathinab 4y ago
    Or threatening enough to give you a panic attack if you close by, but if you are not you feel like you can ignore them.
rejectfinite 4y ago
>Not the kind of scary where you bend the knee, but the kind of scary you don't invite them to your birthday party. The Marvel movies were a mistake.

elforce002 4y ago

Are vietnam, singapur, etc.., viable solutions? have you checked if you can get your supplies from LATAM?

weregiraffe 4y ago

>Between the Uyghur Genocide and Jack Ma's disappearance These two are not in the same category.

glenstein 4y ago
What's the category?

Workaccount2 4y ago

The push back on banning (social media app) is befuddling to me. It's an egregious national security threat to have the youth of your nation addicted to an algorithm controlled by these same people. Censored because at least on reddit the bots will swoop in on any mention of it.

bigbillheck 4y ago
Surely this argument applies to every other country in the world and the allowing or otherwise of facebook, twitter, and so on?
- Workaccount2 4y ago
  Your argument hinges on the US government and Chinese government being equivalent. In the US you can take the government to court and actually win.
- bnjms 4y ago
  What is the reason we’re given for banning TikTok? Is it just “China scares us”? Because that’s what it looks like. And that feels like it’s against western ideals. Maybe it’s “tit off tat” setting similar boundaries as what Western companies have to follow in China. That makes sense but I’ve not heard it packed that way. Also our own social media companies are mostly unpopular right now.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - stormfather 4y ago
    It's because every corporate entity in China is partially controlled by the CCP and their interests are often diametrically opposed to ours. There's no clear separation between corporate structure and party there. If it's in China's interest to influence our youth through TikTok they will do so.

MSFT_Edging 4y ago

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JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> While what was happening in Xiajiang wasn't great, it was not a Genocide Nobody mentioned Adrian Zenz—you brought him up as a straw man. The genocide label is based on forced sterilisation, induced abortions, extrajudicial kidnapping and execution, et cetera. These observations are supported by a wide range of sources [1]. The spectre of crimes against humanity has been formally raised by the UN [2]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References [2] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/08/un-human-rights-office-issues-assessment-human-rights-concerns-xinjiang https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/08/un-human-rig...
- MSFT_Edging 4y ago
  You don't have to mention Adrian Zenz, he's core to the reporting. This AP article for instance, listed in the wikipedia references under the sterilization, https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... "The hundreds of millions of dollars the government pours into birth control has transformed Xinjiang from one of China’s fastest-growing regions to among its slowest in just a few years, according to new research obtained by The Associated Press in advance of publication by China scholar Adrian Zenz." From the UN report: "Prior to 2017, ethnic minorities such as the Uyghurs were allowed to have one more child than Han Chinese, meaning that urban Uyghur couples could have two children and rural Uyghur couples could have three children, while urban Han were allowed one child and rural Han were allowed two children respectively. Overall, the Government reports that the population of XUAR grew from 12.98 million in the 2010 census to 14.93 million in the 2020 census, and that the Uyghur population grew from 10 million in the 2010 census to 11.6 million in the 2020 census, an annual average of 1.52 per cent. 106. In 2017, XUAR amended its regional family planning policy to permit people of all ethnic groups to have two children in urban areas and three in rural, thus equalizing the policy and allowing Han Chinese couples to have equal numbers of children as ethnic minorities.240 The amendments also enhanced enforcement, including through a threefold increase in the “social maintenance payment” payable by persons who violate the policy.241 In June 2021, in line with the new national policy, XUAR introduced the three-child policy for all ethnic groups. 107. Official population figures indicate a sharp decline in birth rates in XUAR from 2017.242 Data from the 2020 Chinese Statistical Yearbook, covering 2019, shows that in the space of two years the birth rate in Xinjiang dropped approximately 48.7 per cent, from 15.88 per thousand in 2017 to 8.14 per thousand in 2019. The average for all of China is 10.48 per thousand." The UN Report has no mention of Executions or Kidnapping. All of the reporting on this comes from groups such as the Heritage Foundation(Far-right think tank). I've gone down this rabbit hole. It was a propaganda stunt.

pjc50 4y ago

> Not the kind of scary where you bend the knee, but the kind of scary you don't invite them to your birthday party. What on earth does this mean?

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smoldesu 4y ago
I read it as meaning "non-threatening but uncomfortable to be around".
- dathinab 4y ago
  Or threatening enough to give you a panic attack if you close by, but if you are not you feel like you can ignore them.

rejectfinite 4y ago

>Not the kind of scary where you bend the knee, but the kind of scary you don't invite them to your birthday party. The Marvel movies were a mistake.