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>Yeah the people who help enable the largest child abuse ring in history are not 'fine' people. You're right. It's horrible what public school teachers are al

>Yeah the people who help enable the largest child abuse ring in history are not 'fine' people. You're right. It's horrible what public school teachers are allowed to get away with...wait, that's not who you were talking about? Better check your numbers again.

watwut 4y ago
Unlike catholic churches, school system had mandatory reporting of sexual abuse for years. And if a teacher was accused of sexual abuse, it was not an actual norm to move him to another position with access to children.
- bacchusracine 4y ago
  >if a teacher was accused of sexual abuse, it was not an actual norm to move him to another position with access to children. You don't say... https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/crime_courts/2017/03/22/keith-bryan-desert-sands/99012698/ https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/crime_courts/2017/03/22... https://www.sfreporter.com/news/coverstories/2018/01/03/passing-the-trash/ https://www.sfreporter.com/news/coverstories/2018/01/03/pass... https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-10-19-me-6252-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-10-19-me-6252-s... See there's a certain group that just loves to harp on about the catholics (and yes they certainly should be ashamed and given every legal penalty for what they did) but want to give other groups a pass. They like to pretend that this sort of coverup isn't a systematic issue whenever you get a large group. And they like to ignore all the cases where female teachers have "relationships" with their students.... https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-teacher-accused-sexual-relationship-student-received-multiple-warnings-before https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-teacher-accused-sexual-re... https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/nyc-teacher-accused-of-sex-with-mentally-ill-student/ https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/nyc-teacher-accused-of-sex-wit... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10984483/Female-teacher-46-sexual-relationship-male-student-sent-pictures-breasts.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10984483/Female-tea... Shall I go on? There are easily hundreds of unique cases that I could link. Somehow though I suspect that you will fall into the usual pattern of dismising these all as being from "bad" sources or say that it's just not the same...somehow.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Catholics actual policy was to move sexual abusers to different parishes and not tell anyone. That is the actual norm. And that was not just a new thing. Catholics as organizations run pretty atrocious institutions (orphanages, schools) where kids were routinely abused. Yes, catholic church is waaay worst then school system in this regard. And largely for systematic reasons - the expectation of obeisance and expectation that one should protect the institution make them more suspectible to abuse. The catholic cover ups were not just outliers. They were result of lack of transparency and of impossibility to challenge superiors. Moreover mandatory reporting within school syatem is an actual law. This alone makes the two system different.
    - bacchusracine 4y ago
      >Yes, catholic church is waaay worst then school system in this regard. And largely for systematic reasons - the expectation of obeisance and expectation that one should protect the institution make them more suspectible to abuse. Hmm... https://mercatornet.com/a-horrifying-report-on-sexual-abuse-in-chicago-public-schools-sank-without-a-trace-last-week-why/82550/ https://mercatornet.com/a-horrifying-report-on-sexual-abuse-... https://www.wect.com/2020/08/10/part-one-cover-up-culture-wect-investigates-decades-sexual-abuse-new-hanover-county-schools/ https://www.wect.com/2020/08/10/part-one-cover-up-culture-we... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-... https://letsspeakup.com/cover-up-practices-of-school-officials-2/ https://letsspeakup.com/cover-up-practices-of-school-officia... https://www.mvskokemedia.com/the-cover-ups-continue-at-morris-school-district/ https://www.mvskokemedia.com/the-cover-ups-continue-at-morri... https://www.city-journal.org/abuse-in-schools-no-conspiracy-theory https://www.city-journal.org/abuse-in-schools-no-conspiracy-... Not systematic? Not the norm? I'm just punching words into google and pulling up results. I could go on and on with this. Funny how you want to just brush this off. https://www.news9.com/story/6119d3000078b30be8872b0d/-12-girls-alleged-abuse-coverups-in-grady-county-at-ninnekah-public-schools https://www.news9.com/story/6119d3000078b30be8872b0d/-12-gir... https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-01-05/lausd-and-two-school-administrators-convicted-of-failing-to-report-sex-abuse-by-teacher-sued https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-01-05/lausd-an... https://www.ocpathink.org/post/child-abuse-cover-up-alleged-at-bowring-school https://www.ocpathink.org/post/child-abuse-cover-up-alleged-... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/nyregion/babylon-high-school-teachers-allegations.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/nyregion/babylon-high-sch... I wonder why there is so much vehemence about one and not the other? I'll say it softly. Could it be because one is religious and the other is secular? I wonder why the public schools get a pass when they've been doing the exact same things?

watwut 4y ago

Unlike catholic churches, school system had mandatory reporting of sexual abuse for years. And if a teacher was accused of sexual abuse, it was not an actual norm to move him to another position with access to children.

bacchusracine 4y ago
>if a teacher was accused of sexual abuse, it was not an actual norm to move him to another position with access to children. You don't say... https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/crime_courts/2017/03/22/keith-bryan-desert-sands/99012698/ https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/crime_courts/2017/03/22... https://www.sfreporter.com/news/coverstories/2018/01/03/passing-the-trash/ https://www.sfreporter.com/news/coverstories/2018/01/03/pass... https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-10-19-me-6252-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-10-19-me-6252-s... See there's a certain group that just loves to harp on about the catholics (and yes they certainly should be ashamed and given every legal penalty for what they did) but want to give other groups a pass. They like to pretend that this sort of coverup isn't a systematic issue whenever you get a large group. And they like to ignore all the cases where female teachers have "relationships" with their students.... https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-teacher-accused-sexual-relationship-student-received-multiple-warnings-before https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-teacher-accused-sexual-re... https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/nyc-teacher-accused-of-sex-with-mentally-ill-student/ https://nypost.com/2023/03/25/nyc-teacher-accused-of-sex-wit... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10984483/Female-teacher-46-sexual-relationship-male-student-sent-pictures-breasts.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10984483/Female-tea... Shall I go on? There are easily hundreds of unique cases that I could link. Somehow though I suspect that you will fall into the usual pattern of dismising these all as being from "bad" sources or say that it's just not the same...somehow.
- watwut 4y ago
  Catholics actual policy was to move sexual abusers to different parishes and not tell anyone. That is the actual norm. And that was not just a new thing. Catholics as organizations run pretty atrocious institutions (orphanages, schools) where kids were routinely abused. Yes, catholic church is waaay worst then school system in this regard. And largely for systematic reasons - the expectation of obeisance and expectation that one should protect the institution make them more suspectible to abuse. The catholic cover ups were not just outliers. They were result of lack of transparency and of impossibility to challenge superiors. Moreover mandatory reporting within school syatem is an actual law. This alone makes the two system different.
  - bacchusracine 4y ago
    >Yes, catholic church is waaay worst then school system in this regard. And largely for systematic reasons - the expectation of obeisance and expectation that one should protect the institution make them more suspectible to abuse. Hmm... https://mercatornet.com/a-horrifying-report-on-sexual-abuse-in-chicago-public-schools-sank-without-a-trace-last-week-why/82550/ https://mercatornet.com/a-horrifying-report-on-sexual-abuse-... https://www.wect.com/2020/08/10/part-one-cover-up-culture-wect-investigates-decades-sexual-abuse-new-hanover-county-schools/ https://www.wect.com/2020/08/10/part-one-cover-up-culture-we... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-... https://letsspeakup.com/cover-up-practices-of-school-officials-2/ https://letsspeakup.com/cover-up-practices-of-school-officia... https://www.mvskokemedia.com/the-cover-ups-continue-at-morris-school-district/ https://www.mvskokemedia.com/the-cover-ups-continue-at-morri... https://www.city-journal.org/abuse-in-schools-no-conspiracy-theory https://www.city-journal.org/abuse-in-schools-no-conspiracy-... Not systematic? Not the norm? I'm just punching words into google and pulling up results. I could go on and on with this. Funny how you want to just brush this off. https://www.news9.com/story/6119d3000078b30be8872b0d/-12-girls-alleged-abuse-coverups-in-grady-county-at-ninnekah-public-schools https://www.news9.com/story/6119d3000078b30be8872b0d/-12-gir... https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-01-05/lausd-and-two-school-administrators-convicted-of-failing-to-report-sex-abuse-by-teacher-sued https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-01-05/lausd-an... https://www.ocpathink.org/post/child-abuse-cover-up-alleged-at-bowring-school https://www.ocpathink.org/post/child-abuse-cover-up-alleged-... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/nyregion/babylon-high-school-teachers-allegations.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/nyregion/babylon-high-sch... I wonder why there is so much vehemence about one and not the other? I'll say it softly. Could it be because one is religious and the other is secular? I wonder why the public schools get a pass when they've been doing the exact same things?