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Sounds annoying, but I had to skim through looking for a definition of "e-fuel" since it was not a term I was accustomed to. Found it: E-fuels are produced by
by unwind 4y ago
Sounds annoying, but I had to skim through looking for a definition of "e-fuel" since it was not a term I was accustomed to.
Found it:
E-fuels are produced by synthesising captured CO2 emissions and hydrogen produced using CO2-free electricity. They are considered carbon neutral because the CO2 released when the fuel is combusted is balanced by the CO2 removed from the atmosphere to produce the fuel.
And also learnt that they're also called "electrofuels" [1].
That makes it sound less horrible, except that such production doesn't exist yet at a sensible/interesting scale as far as I understand.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrofuel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrofuel
- rob74 4y agoNevertheless, e-fuel cars are still a step back compared to electric cars: electric cars don't pollute while they're running, but may still generate pollution depending on how the electricity they are charged with was produced, e-fuel cars produce both tailpipe pollution and potentially also electricity generation pollution. But I guess that due to how horrendously expensive e-fuels will be, these vehicles will be so rare that tailpipe pollution won't matter much...
- cryptonym 4y agoe-fuel cars also generate noise, sound pollution. Sad that Germany prevented us from getting rid of that noisy redneck revving his expensive engine in the middle of the city.
- andrewshadura 4y agoAll cars generate noise pollution. Most noise in cars is produced by tyres.
- henearkr 4y agoTyres noises are not what spikes my blood pressure in the middle of the night. Those are engine/tailpipe noises.
- lakomen 4y agoExactly, I live on a very active street and the daily noise is killing me softly. Especially those "punks" with their motorbikes or pimped engines and exhausts. Silence is a luxury I don't have. Only at night between 2-4AM. I've recently started wearing a full ear headset to dampen some of the noise. I wish I could just move out, but other flats cost double the price.
- henearkr 4y agoWhich country? I'm in Japan, and the cult of noisy cars/motorbikes here is both disgusting and hopeless (given the planned disappearance of ICE vehicles), but very ingrained (among both middle-aged and young men). Moreover it's actually illegal (law limits engine noises to 80dB), but police seems to have given up. Ideally I'd move to a country with more regard towards silence, calm and cardiovascular health of citizens.
- throwaway2a02 4y agoMaybe at highway speed. At city speeds I am constantly taken by surprise by electric cars that come from behind while I'm cycling (in the Netherlands, for context, where I'd estimate that at least 25% of the cars are already electric, in the city in question).
- marcyb5st 4y agoAlso Italy and Poland supported Germany on this. I suspect that the real motivation is that the automotive industry in these countries creates loads of jobs both directly and indirectly. Electric cars being simpler and needing less maintenance will kill positions in the 10s of thousands.
- lakomen 4y agoNothing electric is ever simpler and requires less maintenance than the mechanic version. Idk where you get that from. I made the mistake to buy an electric oven, super modern type. The number of times it displayed an "E" for error in the display, I stopped counting. Any electric component will not only last less longer but also be more error prone and will need to be repaired more often.
- cryptonym 4y agoElectrical car are documented almost everywhere with lower maintenance cost than gas prices, mostly because there are fewer moving parts and fluids. You can hardly compare anecdotical issue related to electric oven with macro statistics on gas and electric cars.
- enigma20 4y agoNot just that. For huge part of Polish population new EVs will be unaffordable. ICEs got more expensive in the recent year, but that still much lesser than EVs.
- griffiths 4y agoThey need to phase out the motorcycles also. Where I live those are the worst.
- timeon 4y ago> electric cars don't pollute Not air but tires still pollute environment.
- LeonidasXIV 4y ago> That makes it sound less horrible, except that such production doesn't exist yet at a sensible/interesting scale as far as I understand. To me it sounds less horrible, because it sounds like fantasy technology that will not be economically feasible in the end so the end result is that this exception doesn't actually matter. Suffers the same problem as the whole carbon capture thought experiment.
- 988747 4y ago[dead]
- baxuz 4y agoe-fuels are the equivalent of carbon offsets. It's a hand-wavey solution to keep the status quo.
- thecopy 4y ago"Electrofuel". God.. they are so good at lobbying and PR i have to admire it. Even though it will lead to people dying by toxic exhausts.
- patall 4y agoI have written that before: They only talk about Efuels because that sounds fancy. What they really mean are probably biofuels, i.e biodiesel and ethanol (not that that would make it any better).
- rasz 4y agoGermany lobbied to include e-fuels made using russian gas in the bill, but not nuclear! https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/revealed-how-germany-stepped-in-to-delay-eu-green-hydrogen-rules/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/revealed-how-ge...