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> but they haven't updated their default PDF app in at least 2 months The PDF renderer in their PDF viewer is from 2016 and has dozens of long-known security

by _rdvw 4y ago

> but they haven't updated their default PDF app in at least 2 months The PDF renderer in their PDF viewer is from 2016 and has dozens of long-known security issues. > Can you install, say, WhatsApp through the store on GrapheneOS? Can I install my public transport app (hint: it's not on F-droid) or my banking app? Yes you can, maybe you should read their documentation: https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play > It's great if GrapheneOS fits your needs. I don't use GrapheneOS. > There is no such thing as a "secure device" You're shifting goal posts, the devices they're selling are end-of-life by manufacturer or are years behind _available_ firmware/blob updates. > not for people who like spending their free time writing lists about when the default PDF app was last updated. I don't know why you're focused on the PDF viewer when they went _eleven_ months without updating the browser and system webview, one of the most important programs on any computer.

palata 4y ago
> The PDF renderer in their PDF viewer is from 2016 and has dozens of long-known security issues. I don't care, I uninstalled it and installed another one. > Yes you can, maybe you should read their documentation Good to know, though I'm pretty sure it wasn't the case a few years ago when I considered GrapheneOS (see "Sandboxed Google Play is close to being fully functional"). But that seems great indeed! > You're shifting goal posts, the devices they're selling are end-of-life by manufacturer Mine is not end-of-life at all. Some are, but that's a feature: it's great to be able to not change phone every 2 years because the manufacturer just wants to sell more. > or are years behind _available_ firmware/blob updates. Mine is not at all. Some have less support, I suppose. If it matters to you, you can probably contribute. > they went _eleven_ months without updating the browser and system webview I think it's mitigated by the fact that you can install your favourite browser, so only the webview is an issue. But yes, that's a problem. Doesn't make the whole project crap: they are successfully making a nice-to-use de-Googled phone. That's a step in the right direction. That does not make them perfect. My complaint about your behavior is that IMHO, you sound like you are trying very hard to tell people that the whole project is crap. I'm sure you have a ton of interesting and constructive criticisms you could share. But when I read "DivestOS", my thought is not "oh, that interesting Android fork?" but rather "oh, that's the guy who goes on other people's forums to tell them that their project is crap".

by _rdvw 4y ago

palata 4y ago

> The PDF renderer in their PDF viewer is from 2016 and has dozens of long-known security issues. I don't care, I uninstalled it and installed another one. > Yes you can, maybe you should read their documentation Good to know, though I'm pretty sure it wasn't the case a few years ago when I considered GrapheneOS (see "Sandboxed Google Play is close to being fully functional"). But that seems great indeed! > You're shifting goal posts, the devices they're selling are end-of-life by manufacturer Mine is not end-of-life at all. Some are, but that's a feature: it's great to be able to not change phone every 2 years because the manufacturer just wants to sell more. > or are years behind _available_ firmware/blob updates. Mine is not at all. Some have less support, I suppose. If it matters to you, you can probably contribute. > they went _eleven_ months without updating the browser and system webview I think it's mitigated by the fact that you can install your favourite browser, so only the webview is an issue. But yes, that's a problem. Doesn't make the whole project crap: they are successfully making a nice-to-use de-Googled phone. That's a step in the right direction. That does not make them perfect. My complaint about your behavior is that IMHO, you sound like you are trying very hard to tell people that the whole project is crap. I'm sure you have a ton of interesting and constructive criticisms you could share. But when I read "DivestOS", my thought is not "oh, that interesting Android fork?" but rather "oh, that's the guy who goes on other people's forums to tell them that their project is crap".