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It's one thing if you already have the app and just stop updating it. My experience with the iOS App Store has been that if you only just now heard of the app

It's one thing if you already have the app and just stop updating it. My experience with the iOS App Store has been that if you only just now heard of the app and your phone's too old, you can't even download the version that works for your phone. That is what ends up forcing an upgrade. That people's phones can't run the newest version of an app, and aren't allowed to get an old version as a substitute.

londons_explore 4y ago
Apple has every incentive to make sure old devices become unusable. It pushes people to buy new devices. The effect may be indirect - someone in a poor country with a 6 year old iDevice finds it becomes unusable, so they want to buy a 3 year old iDevice... And they're buying that from someone who has a 3 year old iDevice who sees that for not a lot of extra money they can buy the newest one.
- medstrom 4y ago
  It's not just an issue of poverty, as if only poor countries have to contend with old phones. In rich countries, there's still an issue of valuation. I have money, but I don't value phones that highly. Just like I could buy a $100 ice cream if I wanted to, but I don't value ice cream that highly.
drdec 4y ago
Same issue with Android, FYI. We have a Ring with the app installed on an old phone that we use as the "household" phone. I was going to "upgrade" the household phone to be an old tablet which while newer and running a later version of Android, is still old. Can't install the Ring app on the newer tablet because it is too old. So we are stuck with the even older phone unless we buy something new.
- ridgered4 4y ago
  Can you download and save the .apk file of the older app perhaps? This obviously would require you to know ahead of time what you were going to potentially use the device for in the future, which is ridiculous.
  - almog 4y ago
    Yes, you can do that with the adb CLI. Of course it's a viable solution only for an archivist/advanced users, not so for common users who just wish to keep their old device running smoothly.

londons_explore 4y ago

Apple has every incentive to make sure old devices become unusable. It pushes people to buy new devices. The effect may be indirect - someone in a poor country with a 6 year old iDevice finds it becomes unusable, so they want to buy a 3 year old iDevice... And they're buying that from someone who has a 3 year old iDevice who sees that for not a lot of extra money they can buy the newest one.

medstrom 4y ago
It's not just an issue of poverty, as if only poor countries have to contend with old phones. In rich countries, there's still an issue of valuation. I have money, but I don't value phones that highly. Just like I could buy a $100 ice cream if I wanted to, but I don't value ice cream that highly.

drdec 4y ago

Same issue with Android, FYI. We have a Ring with the app installed on an old phone that we use as the "household" phone. I was going to "upgrade" the household phone to be an old tablet which while newer and running a later version of Android, is still old. Can't install the Ring app on the newer tablet because it is too old. So we are stuck with the even older phone unless we buy something new.

ridgered4 4y ago
Can you download and save the .apk file of the older app perhaps? This obviously would require you to know ahead of time what you were going to potentially use the device for in the future, which is ridiculous.
- almog 4y ago
  Yes, you can do that with the adb CLI. Of course it's a viable solution only for an archivist/advanced users, not so for common users who just wish to keep their old device running smoothly.