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As they describe, they literally cannot unsubscribe though, so from that perspective marking it as spam is totally legit I see your overall argument, however t

As they describe, they literally cannot unsubscribe though, so from that perspective marking it as spam is totally legit I see your overall argument, however this dilemma is ultimately caused by PayPal's ruthless/unpredictable ban policy

Aachen 4y ago
Yes, this is a special situation with no real good options because paypal is behaving like its usual dickish self. I still don't think that it harms paypal or helps anyone to mark their email as spam. Best would be to create a rule to drop their incoming messages. Or use GDPR or some other legal option if you have time to spare and want to cost them some time=money in dealing with your request.
- CogitoCogito 4y ago
  > or helps anyone to mark their email as spam. If it keeps the undesired email from landing in this person's inbox, it certainly sounds like it's helping to me.
  - Aachen 4y ago
    Training a spam filter is not the same as creating a do-not-deliver rule for a given sender. Unless you manage to convince the filter that paypal is the same as a viagra scammer (good luck with that), you'd still get those messages from paypal. Maybe some providers also denylist the sender-receiver pair when you click spam to combat this problem nowadays; back when I used public email services this was rarely the case. Nowadays I use a different system altogether so I don't know if this might now be common. Either way, this is not what the spam button is for, but from this subthread I see that enough people on HN already don't understand how these systems work (and education is hard: people don't even read relevant oneliners pushed in their face at a relevant time, such as error messages), so I guess there's no hope for the general public altogether. I didn't know this is an entirely lost cause and is making me rethink about reporting spam on platforms like reddit. I guess they get so many false positives that I'm wasting my time reporting anything as spam ever.
    - CogitoCogito 4y ago
      Most of my email is on my own server, but in my experience (with gmail, etc.) marking a sender as spam will keep them out of my inbox going forward. I would personally filter the email, but for those who don't understand that process, marking as spam can be effective as well.

Aachen 4y ago

Yes, this is a special situation with no real good options because paypal is behaving like its usual dickish self. I still don't think that it harms paypal or helps anyone to mark their email as spam. Best would be to create a rule to drop their incoming messages. Or use GDPR or some other legal option if you have time to spare and want to cost them some time=money in dealing with your request.

CogitoCogito 4y ago
> or helps anyone to mark their email as spam. If it keeps the undesired email from landing in this person's inbox, it certainly sounds like it's helping to me.
- Aachen 4y ago
  Training a spam filter is not the same as creating a do-not-deliver rule for a given sender. Unless you manage to convince the filter that paypal is the same as a viagra scammer (good luck with that), you'd still get those messages from paypal. Maybe some providers also denylist the sender-receiver pair when you click spam to combat this problem nowadays; back when I used public email services this was rarely the case. Nowadays I use a different system altogether so I don't know if this might now be common. Either way, this is not what the spam button is for, but from this subthread I see that enough people on HN already don't understand how these systems work (and education is hard: people don't even read relevant oneliners pushed in their face at a relevant time, such as error messages), so I guess there's no hope for the general public altogether. I didn't know this is an entirely lost cause and is making me rethink about reporting spam on platforms like reddit. I guess they get so many false positives that I'm wasting my time reporting anything as spam ever.
  - CogitoCogito 4y ago
    Most of my email is on my own server, but in my experience (with gmail, etc.) marking a sender as spam will keep them out of my inbox going forward. I would personally filter the email, but for those who don't understand that process, marking as spam can be effective as well.