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Something I find odd is the focus on “data security” in basically all media coverage and politician statements. Is that what’s at issue, or is it the influence

Something I find odd is the focus on “data security” in basically all media coverage and politician statements. Is that what’s at issue, or is it the influence the CCP has over people through tik tok? Securing customer data isn’t really what’s at issue… It’s the fact that the CCP have one algorithm for its own people that pushes and popularizes science, economics, and other good subjects but for other countries like the USA it’s basically the polar opposite. Data security is a red herring. The true danger is that the CCP and business are one and the same, the CCP is in a Cold War with the USA, and the CCP will do whatever it can to gain any advantage it.

mistermann 4y ago
> Something I find odd is the focus on “data security” in basically alal media coverage and politician statements. Is that what’s at issue, or is it the influence the CCP has over people through tik tok? Notice, for the sake of high level rationalism, that this is a false dichotomy. CCP influence over TikTok is a subset of the bigger problems: - TikTok, or the medium it operates on, is extremely persuasive, it's the most potent way to spread ideas from one mind to another (for example: the beliefs you hold about China's intents, which you do not actually possess knowledge of). - The US government does not have a means to exert control over it like the other social media giants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message
- andrekandre 4y ago
  > it's the most potent way to spread ideas from one mind to another even more than facebook? any studies/links about that?
  - mistermann 4y ago
    > even more than facebook? Well, consider the capabilities of the two platforms, as well as the demographics of users, and so forth and so on. > any studies/links about that? Not that I know of, but I have a feeling these discussions have been held at very high levels of the government and various 3 letter agencies, resulting in the mass theatrical spectacle we saw in Congress the other day.....did you watch any of that? Is it not blatantly obvious that in this case, "democracy" is an illusion?
    - andrekandre 4y ago
      > did you watch any of that? i watched a little bit of it > Is it not blatantly obvious that in this case, "democracy" is an illusion? which part specifically gave that impression?
      - mistermann 4y ago
        The part where the conversation format, participants, and content was clearly not at a level appropriate for a matter of this importance. High school kids could do MUCH better than what we saw there. If corporations were run as incompetently as much of the government, they'd get crushed by competitors. Maybe our government needs some competition.
bostonsre 4y ago
Say the CCP invades Taiwan and the United States does not look too kindly on that and helps Taiwan. They could brick a large proportion of phones in the United Sates or maybe just monitor where US military service personnel are. e.g.: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/android-app-from-china-executed-0-day-exploit-on-millions-of-devices/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/andro...

mistermann 4y ago

> Something I find odd is the focus on “data security” in basically alal media coverage and politician statements. Is that what’s at issue, or is it the influence the CCP has over people through tik tok? Notice, for the sake of high level rationalism, that this is a false dichotomy. CCP influence over TikTok is a subset of the bigger problems: - TikTok, or the medium it operates on, is extremely persuasive, it's the most potent way to spread ideas from one mind to another (for example: the beliefs you hold about China's intents, which you do not actually possess knowledge of). - The US government does not have a means to exert control over it like the other social media giants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message

andrekandre 4y ago
> it's the most potent way to spread ideas from one mind to another even more than facebook? any studies/links about that?
- mistermann 4y ago
  > even more than facebook? Well, consider the capabilities of the two platforms, as well as the demographics of users, and so forth and so on. > any studies/links about that? Not that I know of, but I have a feeling these discussions have been held at very high levels of the government and various 3 letter agencies, resulting in the mass theatrical spectacle we saw in Congress the other day.....did you watch any of that? Is it not blatantly obvious that in this case, "democracy" is an illusion?
  - andrekandre 4y ago
    > did you watch any of that? i watched a little bit of it > Is it not blatantly obvious that in this case, "democracy" is an illusion? which part specifically gave that impression?
    - mistermann 4y ago
      The part where the conversation format, participants, and content was clearly not at a level appropriate for a matter of this importance. High school kids could do MUCH better than what we saw there. If corporations were run as incompetently as much of the government, they'd get crushed by competitors. Maybe our government needs some competition.

bostonsre 4y ago

Say the CCP invades Taiwan and the United States does not look too kindly on that and helps Taiwan. They could brick a large proportion of phones in the United Sates or maybe just monitor where US military service personnel are. e.g.: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/android-app-from-china-executed-0-day-exploit-on-millions-of-devices/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/andro...