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Do I want those apps to be slow, sluggish, non-native feeling web apps?

vladvasiliu 4y ago
Isn't that already the case, only with a thin wrapper to handle notifications? I've seen many apps on iOS that just feel… weird. Especially the scroll. It's my understanding that many such apps are just web views.
- explaininjs 4y ago
  Are you referring to web apps where scroll is hijacked by JS in some way? Because I don’t see how you can get more native than the default browser’s default scroll implementation.
  - kuschku 4y ago
    The browsers default scroll implementation never feels like scrolling in native apps.
    - explaininjs 4y ago
      Even Safari? It's about as native as you can get. I've seen no evidence it uses different scroll logic than whatever "native" app. In fact many "native" apps that reinvented the wheel in their GUI framework have a decidedly worse scroll than many web apps.
      - c-hendricks 4y ago
        I swear there was an article on the WebKit blog that detailed how the scrolling was different, but am not able to find it now.
- JustSomeNobody 4y ago
  Exactly. And if I have alternatives that are native, I use those or mostly just do without. Anyone doing non-native apps on my phone will almost[0] never get money from me. [0] There has to be the occasional exception, I suppose.
Tepix 4y ago
Yes, because they will have a harder time tracking you and taking control over your phone and its data. Also web apps are not censored by the app store guidelines.
- criddell 4y ago
  Are you seriously arguing that the web does a better job of respecting user privacy than desktop and mobile operating systems?
  - anticrymactic 4y ago
    Yes that is what he's saying. It's also the truth and the only reason every social media forced you to use the app.
    - dymk 4y ago
      No, that's not why. It's because it's hard to make a performant Facebook webapp with all the bells and whistles.
  - manigandham 4y ago
    Yes. Mobile and desktop apps have much more data leakage because they can store more data for longer and have much more APIs to use. A mobile app provides 100x more detailed data with more persistence than a website ever could. This is well understood by the adtech industry and is why so many websites push apps in the first place.
    - criddell 4y ago
      Historically I think you are right but I'm not so sure it's still the case. Do you think an iPhone with the tracking blocker engaged is still a richer source of data than the web app on an iPhone? Facebook claims that Apple's privacy protections cost them $10 billion of revenue the first year.
      - 4y ago

Isn't that already the case, only with a thin wrapper to handle notifications? I've seen many apps on iOS that just feel… weird. Especially the scroll. It's my understanding that many such apps are just web views.

explaininjs 4y ago
Are you referring to web apps where scroll is hijacked by JS in some way? Because I don’t see how you can get more native than the default browser’s default scroll implementation.
- kuschku 4y ago
  The browsers default scroll implementation never feels like scrolling in native apps.
  - explaininjs 4y ago
    Even Safari? It's about as native as you can get. I've seen no evidence it uses different scroll logic than whatever "native" app. In fact many "native" apps that reinvented the wheel in their GUI framework have a decidedly worse scroll than many web apps.
    - c-hendricks 4y ago
      I swear there was an article on the WebKit blog that detailed how the scrolling was different, but am not able to find it now.
JustSomeNobody 4y ago
Exactly. And if I have alternatives that are native, I use those or mostly just do without. Anyone doing non-native apps on my phone will almost[0] never get money from me. [0] There has to be the occasional exception, I suppose.

Tepix 4y ago

Yes, because they will have a harder time tracking you and taking control over your phone and its data. Also web apps are not censored by the app store guidelines.

criddell 4y ago
Are you seriously arguing that the web does a better job of respecting user privacy than desktop and mobile operating systems?
- anticrymactic 4y ago
  Yes that is what he's saying. It's also the truth and the only reason every social media forced you to use the app.
  - dymk 4y ago
    No, that's not why. It's because it's hard to make a performant Facebook webapp with all the bells and whistles.
- manigandham 4y ago
  Yes. Mobile and desktop apps have much more data leakage because they can store more data for longer and have much more APIs to use. A mobile app provides 100x more detailed data with more persistence than a website ever could. This is well understood by the adtech industry and is why so many websites push apps in the first place.
  - criddell 4y ago
    Historically I think you are right but I'm not so sure it's still the case. Do you think an iPhone with the tracking blocker engaged is still a richer source of data than the web app on an iPhone? Facebook claims that Apple's privacy protections cost them $10 billion of revenue the first year.
    - 4y ago