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So is the news true or not? It should be pretty simple in this case, because if for the news to not be true it would mean they are not in fact rewriting Agatha

So is the news true or not? It should be pretty simple in this case, because if for the news to not be true it would mean they are not in fact rewriting Agatha Christie books at all? So which is it, do you have any knowledge? Or do you suggest to only read news from sources aligned politically with your views regardless of whether there is or isn't any true in the news? Anyway, in my opinion people who read the news and disregard facts that don't agree with their opinions is what I think is wrong with the world at the moment. Because of large number of these people, lying actually starts making sense, at least if you only care about getting elected. Because then what you say doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is whether you are able to exploit existing divisions to hijack voters by telling lies that agree with voters' emotions.

Gordonjcp 4y ago
> So is the news true or not? As you well know, this is not a binary decision. > It should be pretty simple in this case Mmm. Should it? Agatha Christie stories have been rewritten a bit over the 100 years she has been published, most notably "Ten Little Indians", which was released in the US as "And Then There Were None", but was first published in 1939 with a different noun in the title which I will not provoke a response by using. I think they were still publishing it in the UK up until the 1970s under the original title! This article, however, is trying to froth up the beetroot-faced "pint of carling and a filthy joke" Union-jack-t-shirt-wearing segment over "political correctness gone mad". Bear in mind that this is the newspaper that was founded by Fascists for Fascists in the 1930s, and most recently had a headline on the front page saying we should be machine-gunning refugee boats to stop them landing in the UK.
- foldr 4y ago
  I mostly agree with you, but both here and in your original comment you're confusing the Daily Telegraph with the Daily Mail. The Telegraph is a broadsheet, not a tabloid, and was founded in 1855, before Fascism was really a thing. It would help the credibility of what you were saying if you didn't keep making this basic mistake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    You know what, you're right, but I wouldn't bring myself to call the Telegraph a broadsheet simply based on the size of paper it prints on - although from a physical standpoint that is correct. The standard of journalism falls far short of that required for a broadsheet. They were highly supportive of The Wrong Side throughout WW2, and even now are agitating for violence against minorities and refugees. Anyone that buys it should be on some sort of a list.
    - foldr 4y ago
      >They [=The Daily Telegraph] were highly supportive of The Wrong Side throughout WW2 This is completely false. You're again thinking of the Mail (if you're not just making stuff up). But even the Mail wasn't pro-Nazi during WW2. I'm not sure what sort of weird ahistorical picture of WW2 you must have to think that a British newspaper would even have been allowed to publish pro-Nazi articles in the middle of the war! >and even now are agitating for violence against minorities and refugees. Where? You still seem to be thinking of headlines that have appeared in the Mail, not the Telegraph. It's also inaccurate to suggest the Telegraph is in any sense a tabloid. I'm left-leaning and do not much like the Telegraph as a newspaper. However, it was, for a long time, a serious and respected paper.
- woofster 4y ago
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defrost 4y ago
What is true is this quote: Poirot and Miss Marple mysteries have original passages reworked or removed in new editions published which has been true for every new edition since the first. As noted already by galuggus this isn't the first time Christie works have had racially charged material altered, as happened with the US edition released since January 1940.
- twawaaay 4y ago
  So would you say that writing an article about blatant racism by a government official is journalistic abuse because instances of said racism have been happening constantly throughout all of our history? How long history of rewrites a book needs to have before it is no longer ok to mention there are rewrites in it?
  - defrost 4y ago
    Say what now? This is an article about a new edition of old Christie books - there are no government officials here and the only journalistic abuses here are firstly by the publishers attempting to drum up press about an otherwise dull event and secondly by the Telegraph seizing on thin grounds to grab eyeballs by attempting to drum up outrage. Older editions are still available in libraries and secondhand bookstores, in ten years there'll be different editions again. If you're at all familiar with books and publishing .. well, you wouldn't be failing over this story in the manner that you are.
    - the_third_wave 4y ago
      > Older editions are still available in libraries and secondhand bookstores, in ten years there'll be different editions again. Oh yes, they are still available... until the next wave of "sensitivity borrowers" crops up demanding libraries remove those editions. That will happen and has happened already. > If you're at all familiar with books and publishing .. well, you wouldn't be failing over this story in the manner that you are. If you are at all familiar with censorship you would not treat this subject so lightly. Whether it is Soviet "socialist realism" [1] or Nazi "entartete kunst" (degenerate art) [2], these movements never fail to turn into some form of witch hunt. Do you really want to support censorship? [1] https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1934-2/socialist-realism/socialist-realism-texts/the-last-published-statute-on-censorship/ https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1934-2/socialist-realism/socia... Notice also that the censorship laws explicitly do not apply to the Party and its affiliates: 5. Publications of the Communist International, the Central Committee of the VKP(B), krai, oblast and raion committees of the VKP (B), together with the Izvestiia of the Central Executive Committee and the All-Union Executive Committee, the works of the Communist Academy, and those of the Academy of Sciences, are freed from the political and ideological control of Glavlit. [2] https://www.vam.ac.uk/articles/entartete-kunst-the-nazis-inventory-of-degenerate-art https://www.vam.ac.uk/articles/entartete-kunst-the-nazis-inv...

Gordonjcp 4y ago

> So is the news true or not? As you well know, this is not a binary decision. > It should be pretty simple in this case Mmm. Should it? Agatha Christie stories have been rewritten a bit over the 100 years she has been published, most notably "Ten Little Indians", which was released in the US as "And Then There Were None", but was first published in 1939 with a different noun in the title which I will not provoke a response by using. I think they were still publishing it in the UK up until the 1970s under the original title! This article, however, is trying to froth up the beetroot-faced "pint of carling and a filthy joke" Union-jack-t-shirt-wearing segment over "political correctness gone mad". Bear in mind that this is the newspaper that was founded by Fascists for Fascists in the 1930s, and most recently had a headline on the front page saying we should be machine-gunning refugee boats to stop them landing in the UK.

foldr 4y ago
I mostly agree with you, but both here and in your original comment you're confusing the Daily Telegraph with the Daily Mail. The Telegraph is a broadsheet, not a tabloid, and was founded in 1855, before Fascism was really a thing. It would help the credibility of what you were saying if you didn't keep making this basic mistake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Telegraph
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  You know what, you're right, but I wouldn't bring myself to call the Telegraph a broadsheet simply based on the size of paper it prints on - although from a physical standpoint that is correct. The standard of journalism falls far short of that required for a broadsheet. They were highly supportive of The Wrong Side throughout WW2, and even now are agitating for violence against minorities and refugees. Anyone that buys it should be on some sort of a list.
  - foldr 4y ago
    >They [=The Daily Telegraph] were highly supportive of The Wrong Side throughout WW2 This is completely false. You're again thinking of the Mail (if you're not just making stuff up). But even the Mail wasn't pro-Nazi during WW2. I'm not sure what sort of weird ahistorical picture of WW2 you must have to think that a British newspaper would even have been allowed to publish pro-Nazi articles in the middle of the war! >and even now are agitating for violence against minorities and refugees. Where? You still seem to be thinking of headlines that have appeared in the Mail, not the Telegraph. It's also inaccurate to suggest the Telegraph is in any sense a tabloid. I'm left-leaning and do not much like the Telegraph as a newspaper. However, it was, for a long time, a serious and respected paper.
woofster 4y ago
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defrost 4y ago

What is true is this quote: Poirot and Miss Marple mysteries have original passages reworked or removed in new editions published which has been true for every new edition since the first. As noted already by galuggus this isn't the first time Christie works have had racially charged material altered, as happened with the US edition released since January 1940.

twawaaay 4y ago
So would you say that writing an article about blatant racism by a government official is journalistic abuse because instances of said racism have been happening constantly throughout all of our history? How long history of rewrites a book needs to have before it is no longer ok to mention there are rewrites in it?
- defrost 4y ago
  Say what now? This is an article about a new edition of old Christie books - there are no government officials here and the only journalistic abuses here are firstly by the publishers attempting to drum up press about an otherwise dull event and secondly by the Telegraph seizing on thin grounds to grab eyeballs by attempting to drum up outrage. Older editions are still available in libraries and secondhand bookstores, in ten years there'll be different editions again. If you're at all familiar with books and publishing .. well, you wouldn't be failing over this story in the manner that you are.
  - the_third_wave 4y ago
    > Older editions are still available in libraries and secondhand bookstores, in ten years there'll be different editions again. Oh yes, they are still available... until the next wave of "sensitivity borrowers" crops up demanding libraries remove those editions. That will happen and has happened already. > If you're at all familiar with books and publishing .. well, you wouldn't be failing over this story in the manner that you are. If you are at all familiar with censorship you would not treat this subject so lightly. Whether it is Soviet "socialist realism" [1] or Nazi "entartete kunst" (degenerate art) [2], these movements never fail to turn into some form of witch hunt. Do you really want to support censorship? [1] https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1934-2/socialist-realism/socialist-realism-texts/the-last-published-statute-on-censorship/ https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1934-2/socialist-realism/socia... Notice also that the censorship laws explicitly do not apply to the Party and its affiliates: 5. Publications of the Communist International, the Central Committee of the VKP(B), krai, oblast and raion committees of the VKP (B), together with the Izvestiia of the Central Executive Committee and the All-Union Executive Committee, the works of the Communist Academy, and those of the Academy of Sciences, are freed from the political and ideological control of Glavlit. [2] https://www.vam.ac.uk/articles/entartete-kunst-the-nazis-inventory-of-degenerate-art https://www.vam.ac.uk/articles/entartete-kunst-the-nazis-inv...