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Still to this day, THE BEST exam i ever sat was the Redhat Certified Engineer. I guess like many folks here i’ve sat a ton of exams over the years but none comp

Still to this day, THE BEST exam i ever sat was the Redhat Certified Engineer. I guess like many folks here i’ve sat a ton of exams over the years but none compares to that one. I can’t really think of another case where i loved an exam. It might have all changed by now, I did my RHCE exam on RHEL5.5 so we’re talking many moons ago before switching careers to development.

jyscao 4y ago
Red Hat deprecated that exam a couple years ago, and the content it tested for (provisioning servers of various kinds and security) simply got scrapped completely. I attempted that exam right before it was to disappear permanently, on RHEL 7.4, but did not pass unfortunately.
eminent101 4y ago
> I guess like many folks here i’ve sat a ton of exams over the years At the risk of sounding like a caveman I have to admit that I haven't sat a single exam in my professional life. Am I losing out on something? What benefits have these exams brought to you that could not have been happened without them? Seriously considering if I should start signing up for them. And if I want to sign up for them, where do I start?
- Cthulhu_ 4y ago
  For your personal development, it offers a structured way to learn a new skill; doing it on your own works, but has the risk of skipping large swathes of it or getting bored with it. Working towards certification is a goal you can work towards, as an alternative to undirected or situational learning. And for an employer it's a nice tick when assessing candidates, it might just tip the scales in your favors vs someone else. However, I recognize that we're very much in a "seller's market", in that it often feels like education or certifications don't matter when it comes to finding a job, to the point where some years ago, people that just had a crash course / boot camp (as opposed to a formal education, bachelor's or master's degree) could land a six-figure job at a FAANG or startup company.
- dagw 4y ago
  There was a time (early 2000s) where certifications where all the rage and by far the easiest way for otherwise 'mediocre' employees to stand out from the crowd to get hired and/or a raise. A couple of places I worked had formalized systems tying raises to passing certifications. Several people I know got hired for their job in tech purely on the back of passing their Microsoft developer certification.
  - quickthrower2 4y ago
    Microsoft certifications back then, yes, practice hard enough I recognised the shape of the question text, and knew what the answer was! Past exams had the same questions as current at that time.
  - irusensei 4y ago
    I’ve worked at a certain company maintaining Linux servers and POS systems for retail stores across the country. The AD admin was MS certified and apparently among the certification materials they used to recommend companyname.local as the AD TLD. Meanwhile one of our software suppliers pulled samba which pulled avahi. It became a big headache at first and then we had to adjust all our image build process to avoid the collision between the domain and multicast DNS libraries.
- chr15p 4y ago
  To me there are a few benefits of doing exams (at least the Red Hat ones that are not cheap, but well respected): 1) it looks good on the resume, which can help you get past the initial sift by people who dont understand what your experience actually means. 2) They give you the chance to fill in the gaps in what you think you know. My experience of doing my RHCE after 10 years of professional sysadmining was of the 14 chapters in the book I knew maybe 10 already and had never touched the other 4 because they never came up in my job, and the prospect of a looming exam gave me a deadline and the motivation to actually sit down and learn them, which then paid off later in other jobs that did use them. 3) to test whether you are as good as you think you are :) If those don't speak to you then they're probably not super important to do, luckily we mostly work in an industry where experience trumps exams.
  - anonymousDan 4y ago
    Which book are you referring to out of interest?
    - chr15p 4y ago
      The coursebook I got as part of the training course, this was 5+ years ago so we got a physical book. I've no idea what they do these days but there's a list of exam objectives on the red hat website and that basically covers what you need to know
  - gladiatr72 4y ago
    Is there still an entire section on vsftpd?
    - chr15p 4y ago
      no. I don't think that was even a thing in the RHEL7 version I last did and the whole exam/course has changed a lot since then. I'm sure there are lots of places that still use vsftpd though (I have a vague memory that it supported kerberos at least), so it might still be useful for some people
jasoneckert 4y ago
I was one of the first people to write RHEL back when I think they were still figuring out how they should do the exam. There was a written portion followed by a practical portion in a lab where you had to configure services/features, followed by a break where they would mess small things up that you had to troubleshoot and fix. I had a feeling they were going to break things, so I made sure I installed tripwire on each machine so I knew exactly what files they touched. I was done that portion in under 15 minutes. When I came out, the proctor said "Did you give up?" to which I replied "Nope - got 'em all I believe." I think they removed tripwire from the available binaries after that :-)

jyscao 4y ago

Red Hat deprecated that exam a couple years ago, and the content it tested for (provisioning servers of various kinds and security) simply got scrapped completely. I attempted that exam right before it was to disappear permanently, on RHEL 7.4, but did not pass unfortunately.

eminent101 4y ago

> I guess like many folks here i’ve sat a ton of exams over the years At the risk of sounding like a caveman I have to admit that I haven't sat a single exam in my professional life. Am I losing out on something? What benefits have these exams brought to you that could not have been happened without them? Seriously considering if I should start signing up for them. And if I want to sign up for them, where do I start?

Cthulhu_ 4y ago
For your personal development, it offers a structured way to learn a new skill; doing it on your own works, but has the risk of skipping large swathes of it or getting bored with it. Working towards certification is a goal you can work towards, as an alternative to undirected or situational learning. And for an employer it's a nice tick when assessing candidates, it might just tip the scales in your favors vs someone else. However, I recognize that we're very much in a "seller's market", in that it often feels like education or certifications don't matter when it comes to finding a job, to the point where some years ago, people that just had a crash course / boot camp (as opposed to a formal education, bachelor's or master's degree) could land a six-figure job at a FAANG or startup company.
dagw 4y ago
There was a time (early 2000s) where certifications where all the rage and by far the easiest way for otherwise 'mediocre' employees to stand out from the crowd to get hired and/or a raise. A couple of places I worked had formalized systems tying raises to passing certifications. Several people I know got hired for their job in tech purely on the back of passing their Microsoft developer certification.
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  Microsoft certifications back then, yes, practice hard enough I recognised the shape of the question text, and knew what the answer was! Past exams had the same questions as current at that time.
- irusensei 4y ago
  I’ve worked at a certain company maintaining Linux servers and POS systems for retail stores across the country. The AD admin was MS certified and apparently among the certification materials they used to recommend companyname.local as the AD TLD. Meanwhile one of our software suppliers pulled samba which pulled avahi. It became a big headache at first and then we had to adjust all our image build process to avoid the collision between the domain and multicast DNS libraries.
chr15p 4y ago
To me there are a few benefits of doing exams (at least the Red Hat ones that are not cheap, but well respected): 1) it looks good on the resume, which can help you get past the initial sift by people who dont understand what your experience actually means. 2) They give you the chance to fill in the gaps in what you think you know. My experience of doing my RHCE after 10 years of professional sysadmining was of the 14 chapters in the book I knew maybe 10 already and had never touched the other 4 because they never came up in my job, and the prospect of a looming exam gave me a deadline and the motivation to actually sit down and learn them, which then paid off later in other jobs that did use them. 3) to test whether you are as good as you think you are :) If those don't speak to you then they're probably not super important to do, luckily we mostly work in an industry where experience trumps exams.
- anonymousDan 4y ago
  Which book are you referring to out of interest?
  - chr15p 4y ago
    The coursebook I got as part of the training course, this was 5+ years ago so we got a physical book. I've no idea what they do these days but there's a list of exam objectives on the red hat website and that basically covers what you need to know
- gladiatr72 4y ago
  Is there still an entire section on vsftpd?
  - chr15p 4y ago
    no. I don't think that was even a thing in the RHEL7 version I last did and the whole exam/course has changed a lot since then. I'm sure there are lots of places that still use vsftpd though (I have a vague memory that it supported kerberos at least), so it might still be useful for some people

jasoneckert 4y ago

I was one of the first people to write RHEL back when I think they were still figuring out how they should do the exam. There was a written portion followed by a practical portion in a lab where you had to configure services/features, followed by a break where they would mess small things up that you had to troubleshoot and fix. I had a feeling they were going to break things, so I made sure I installed tripwire on each machine so I knew exactly what files they touched. I was done that portion in under 15 minutes. When I came out, the proctor said "Did you give up?" to which I replied "Nope - got 'em all I believe." I think they removed tripwire from the available binaries after that :-)