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Hikikomori are severely isolated people who basically represent Japan's analogue to homelessness. These people leave their rooms seldom and their houses never.

Hikikomori are severely isolated people who basically represent Japan's analogue to homelessness. These people leave their rooms seldom and their houses never. Herbivore men and hikikomori are very much not the same. To say they are is tantamount to saying that incels are part of a wider "hoarder" movement, these groups might be affected by similar societal dynamics but they're not related at all

fxtentacle 4y ago
Since we're discussion birth rates here, I believe it does make sense to group together 2 groups of severely isolated men who are very unlikely to procreate, even if they strongly differ in other aspects.
- fomine3 4y ago
  It worth to discuss but group it as Hikkomori is wrong. Note that Herbivore men doesn't mean that they doesn't have friends. Normal daily life, but without loving partner. Maybe you think that living without partner isn't normal, but young Japanese don't think so.
PaulHoule 4y ago
There are quite a few different reasons why people become reclusive. For instance the person with panic disorder stays at home because they are afraid they’ll have a panic attack if they go out. A person with social phobia looks superficially the same but they have a very different inner experience. Schizotypal people are constitutionally inclined to think everybody is out to get them and then they get bullied in school and the bullying is supported by the teachers and school administration and learn that everybody really is out to get them. There are a number of syndromes that look superficially like the Hikikomori syndrome, of about 10 people I know in the US who are chronically depressed and fit the “NEET” (No Employment, Education or Training) criteria there is one who I think really is a Hikikomori (can’t seem to tell the difference between Hololive and reality), the rest all differ in some major way.
pdimitar 4y ago
You can split hairs all you like, the fact remains that even the Japanese government recognizes the country has a problem with plummeting birth rates. Also a lot of the, let's call it "citizen resistance" against the prevalent extremely toxic Japanese work culture, is not captured by statistics. Japanese are different people and they will not just admit "yeah I would only see my wife and kid for 1 hour before I dine and collapse, preparing for yet another 16 hour workday" if asked on the street. Written workplace surveys? Forget about it, to them it's a disgrace to badmouth their employer; never happening. It's obvious the Japanese have a problem. You arguing doesn't change that.
- chownie 4y ago
  Sure, they do have a problem. This thread is just horribly ignorant about those problems and we're lumping unlike groups together because to us they are like, that is what I'm arguing against.

fxtentacle 4y ago

Since we're discussion birth rates here, I believe it does make sense to group together 2 groups of severely isolated men who are very unlikely to procreate, even if they strongly differ in other aspects.

fomine3 4y ago
It worth to discuss but group it as Hikkomori is wrong. Note that Herbivore men doesn't mean that they doesn't have friends. Normal daily life, but without loving partner. Maybe you think that living without partner isn't normal, but young Japanese don't think so.

PaulHoule 4y ago

There are quite a few different reasons why people become reclusive. For instance the person with panic disorder stays at home because they are afraid they’ll have a panic attack if they go out. A person with social phobia looks superficially the same but they have a very different inner experience. Schizotypal people are constitutionally inclined to think everybody is out to get them and then they get bullied in school and the bullying is supported by the teachers and school administration and learn that everybody really is out to get them. There are a number of syndromes that look superficially like the Hikikomori syndrome, of about 10 people I know in the US who are chronically depressed and fit the “NEET” (No Employment, Education or Training) criteria there is one who I think really is a Hikikomori (can’t seem to tell the difference between Hololive and reality), the rest all differ in some major way.

pdimitar 4y ago

You can split hairs all you like, the fact remains that even the Japanese government recognizes the country has a problem with plummeting birth rates. Also a lot of the, let's call it "citizen resistance" against the prevalent extremely toxic Japanese work culture, is not captured by statistics. Japanese are different people and they will not just admit "yeah I would only see my wife and kid for 1 hour before I dine and collapse, preparing for yet another 16 hour workday" if asked on the street. Written workplace surveys? Forget about it, to them it's a disgrace to badmouth their employer; never happening. It's obvious the Japanese have a problem. You arguing doesn't change that.

chownie 4y ago
Sure, they do have a problem. This thread is just horribly ignorant about those problems and we're lumping unlike groups together because to us they are like, that is what I'm arguing against.