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Also sex abuse and the normalization of controlling behavior are more common in these self-isolating communities, and even more impactful on a person who has li

Also sex abuse and the normalization of controlling behavior are more common in these self-isolating communities, and even more impactful on a person who has little to no contact with the outside world.

theonething 4y ago
So you're saying sexual abuse is more prevalent in the Amish community than in the greater society? What are you basing that claim on?
- subpixel 4y ago
  Even if it’s not more common, young people in isolationist authoritarian communities are literally more trapped than victims in the greater society. I’m not sure how this observation offends.
  - theonething 4y ago
    I'm not sure where you saw any offense. I'm asking you to backup your claim and you interpret that as offense? > young people in isolationist authoritarian communities are literally more trapped than victims in the greater society. I'd say victims of sexual abuse find themselves trapped and isolated in general. As to whether Amish victims are more trapped than non-Amish victims, I haven't seen any evidence to point one way or the other, so I won't make a conclusion about that. You are leveling non-trivial claims against some folks so you need to offer commensurate evidence to substantiate those claims.
- TylerE 4y ago
  https://www.npr.org/2020/01/19/797804404/investigation-into-child-sex-abuse-in-amish-communities https://www.npr.org/2020/01/19/797804404/investigation-into-... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10861949/amp/Amish-11-year-old-girls-given-pamphlets-normalizing-incest.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10861949/amp/Amis... https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/01/14/amish-sexual-abuse-assault/ https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/01/14/... https://lancasteronline.com/news/hidden-in-plain-sight-domestic-and-sexual-abuse-in-amish-mennonite-communities/article_c70ece28-1cff-5dce-9a78-806cf7a36ba3.html https://lancasteronline.com/news/hidden-in-plain-sight-domes...
  - theonething 4y ago
    Those show that sexual abuse happens in the Amish community. That is not in question. You can make that claim about almost any community after a certain size and be correct. They don't show it happens more often compared to the rest of society. And with the exception of NPR (somewhat), I find your sources questionable.
    - TylerE 4y ago
      Given the size of the Amish community (less than most mid sized cities), and the cases being spread geographically , and with associated coverups (this is really the differentiator - does the community ostracize the perpetrator or shame the victim into covering it up.
      - theonething 4y ago
        Nothing you've said thus far proves that it happens more frequently in this community.

theonething 4y ago

So you're saying sexual abuse is more prevalent in the Amish community than in the greater society? What are you basing that claim on?

subpixel 4y ago
Even if it’s not more common, young people in isolationist authoritarian communities are literally more trapped than victims in the greater society. I’m not sure how this observation offends.
- theonething 4y ago
  I'm not sure where you saw any offense. I'm asking you to backup your claim and you interpret that as offense? > young people in isolationist authoritarian communities are literally more trapped than victims in the greater society. I'd say victims of sexual abuse find themselves trapped and isolated in general. As to whether Amish victims are more trapped than non-Amish victims, I haven't seen any evidence to point one way or the other, so I won't make a conclusion about that. You are leveling non-trivial claims against some folks so you need to offer commensurate evidence to substantiate those claims.
TylerE 4y ago
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/19/797804404/investigation-into-child-sex-abuse-in-amish-communities https://www.npr.org/2020/01/19/797804404/investigation-into-... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10861949/amp/Amish-11-year-old-girls-given-pamphlets-normalizing-incest.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10861949/amp/Amis... https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/01/14/amish-sexual-abuse-assault/ https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/01/14/... https://lancasteronline.com/news/hidden-in-plain-sight-domestic-and-sexual-abuse-in-amish-mennonite-communities/article_c70ece28-1cff-5dce-9a78-806cf7a36ba3.html https://lancasteronline.com/news/hidden-in-plain-sight-domes...
- theonething 4y ago
  Those show that sexual abuse happens in the Amish community. That is not in question. You can make that claim about almost any community after a certain size and be correct. They don't show it happens more often compared to the rest of society. And with the exception of NPR (somewhat), I find your sources questionable.
  - TylerE 4y ago
    Given the size of the Amish community (less than most mid sized cities), and the cases being spread geographically , and with associated coverups (this is really the differentiator - does the community ostracize the perpetrator or shame the victim into covering it up.
    - theonething 4y ago
      Nothing you've said thus far proves that it happens more frequently in this community.