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Moral is the last thing YC cared about . In fact Paul wrote an essay about good founders being the kind of people who tend to break rules. Rules, laws , moralit

Moral is the last thing YC cared about . In fact Paul wrote an essay about good founders being the kind of people who tend to break rules. Rules, laws , morality are for other people

rockemsockem 4y ago
I feel silly for saying this, but it's very obvious that rule breaking is not the same as acting immorally. Machines should be able to speak in realistic voices. Every cool future I can imagine includes that. Why muzzle it just because people can be scammed with it?? People get scammed by jpgs, random people calling and saying they're from the bank or the IRS. I'm really not interested in limiting what humanity can accomplish to account for folks getting scammed. Many of them will get scammed anyway. What we should do is make it easier for these individuals to learn how to not get scammed or to come up with scam insurance for the ridiculously gullible. I'm just spitballing, but banning cool technology because people can be scammed is overkill.
- CJefferson 4y ago
  My problem isn't computers speaking in realistic voices. The problem is speaking in your voice, or my voice.
- killdozer 4y ago
  Just because there's some bad stuff out there doesn't mean that opening the flood gates to higher amounts of more advanced bad stuff is acceptable. It's absolutely reasonable to look at a new technology and try to figure out if it is likely to bring about more harm than good and take action based on that assessment.
hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
I think it's impossible to write anything with nuance on the Internet, as it is always taken out of context and used as a gross caricature of the original point, as you have done. I'm quite familiar with pg's essay, and the idea that he's arguing that "Rules, laws , morality are for other people" is laughable. Sure, it's fair to argue against his point, but one of the main thing he highlights in his essay is clearly knowing the difference between rules and laws that are morally important, versus ones that came about through regulatory capture or "tradition". Most societies have at least some tradition of celebrating "good trouble".
mr_woozy 4y ago
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dang 4y ago
That's not fair at all. YC has declined to invest in many startups that they didn't think were doing good things. I don't know anything about the thought process in this particular case but you're miles off base with "Moral is the last thing YC cared about".

Moral is the last thing YC cared about . In fact Paul wrote an essay about good founders being the kind of people who tend to break rules. Rules, laws , morality are for other people

rockemsockem 4y ago

I feel silly for saying this, but it's very obvious that rule breaking is not the same as acting immorally. Machines should be able to speak in realistic voices. Every cool future I can imagine includes that. Why muzzle it just because people can be scammed with it?? People get scammed by jpgs, random people calling and saying they're from the bank or the IRS. I'm really not interested in limiting what humanity can accomplish to account for folks getting scammed. Many of them will get scammed anyway. What we should do is make it easier for these individuals to learn how to not get scammed or to come up with scam insurance for the ridiculously gullible. I'm just spitballing, but banning cool technology because people can be scammed is overkill.

CJefferson 4y ago
My problem isn't computers speaking in realistic voices. The problem is speaking in your voice, or my voice.
killdozer 4y ago
Just because there's some bad stuff out there doesn't mean that opening the flood gates to higher amounts of more advanced bad stuff is acceptable. It's absolutely reasonable to look at a new technology and try to figure out if it is likely to bring about more harm than good and take action based on that assessment.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago

I think it's impossible to write anything with nuance on the Internet, as it is always taken out of context and used as a gross caricature of the original point, as you have done. I'm quite familiar with pg's essay, and the idea that he's arguing that "Rules, laws , morality are for other people" is laughable. Sure, it's fair to argue against his point, but one of the main thing he highlights in his essay is clearly knowing the difference between rules and laws that are morally important, versus ones that came about through regulatory capture or "tradition". Most societies have at least some tradition of celebrating "good trouble".

mr_woozy 4y ago

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dang 4y ago

That's not fair at all. YC has declined to invest in many startups that they didn't think were doing good things. I don't know anything about the thought process in this particular case but you're miles off base with "Moral is the last thing YC cared about".