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Long commutes are also a subsidy to your employer. If employers paid enough for a similar standard of living down the block from the office, that's what everyon

Long commutes are also a subsidy to your employer. If employers paid enough for a similar standard of living down the block from the office, that's what everyone would do.

SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
Truth. Would employers be ok with long commutes if they had to subsidize the cost of the commute from the time and fuel/wear and tear cost? Suddenly under that hypothetical scenario WFH becomes a lot more attractive
- re-thc 4y ago
  That mostly never happens. Even in the past when you had to travel, a lot of time is spent packing, going to the airport etc that's never accounted for as a part of your "work hours".
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
    True, but that’s more of a slight against what is culturally billable as work time vs the reality of the intangibles of how much it costs to commute in the employee-employer relationship
- proggy 4y ago
  It’s uncommon worldwide, but the majority of Japanese companies pay for employees’ regular daily commuting expenses in full [1]. Typically this is in the form of a commuter ticket that is good for journeys anywhere on the route between your home and work. Pretty handy if you want to break up your journey midway to run some errands or stop off at a cafe or restaurant. Granted, this is something of a holdover from Japanese society in the late 20th century where lifetime employment was the norm, and nowadays this practice is becoming slightly less common. For instance, a specialist working for a Japanese company (like myself, a few years back), should expect to pay for their own transportation costs. Frankly, it was worth bearing the cost myself, though, as I did not need to reciprocate loyalty to the company in the same way my coworkers did by spending long hours at the office and participating in mandatory-ish social gatherings that lasted late into the night. [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/10/14/business/how-employer-transportation-allowances-helped-create-commuter-hell/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/10/14/business/how-em...
- AHOHA 4y ago
  I worked before in some companies that they pay you 10% of your salary as a commute compensation, and 25% for housing, outside the US.
paulmendoza 4y ago
Long commutes are mostly employees choosing to live further away from the office. I saw it often with my coworkers. They could have lived closer to the office. I got a place across the street from my office. Later we choose to move away because we wanted a bigger house. If everyone moved within 3 miles of their office it would massively cleanup the traffic commute situation. But we build huge highways which subsidizes people who live far away from their offices.
- gvurrdon 4y ago
  I’m reminded of a previous house move. A two-bedroom flat 20 miles from work was £125k, and one within a mile, but otherwise similar, was about £350k. I could barely afford the first one.
- Vrondi 4y ago
  Most of the time, if your employer is in town, housing there costs a lot more for a lot less (or the same) space. Many people cannot afford to double or triple (or more) their housing cost in order to live in town close to their work. Employers aren't willing to pay you more if you live closer to work in order to compensate you for this increase in costs. And then, there's no guarantee that this job you've arranged your life around will be permanent or career-long, so why do it? Why increase your rent or mortgage immensely to use more of the identical paycheck for a decreased standard of living with no guarantees of employment stability? And that's before we consider any other factors like where the better schools/less violent areas/etc. might be for raising children.
- cafard 4y ago
  We knew a family in a close-in suburb of Washington, DC, about a mile outside the Beltway. Both parents worked for the EPA at White Oak, perhaps three miles from their house. Then the government reshuffled, and that part of the EPA ended up in Crystal City, Virginia, may twelve miles away, but a much longer commute. This kind of thing happens to people a lot. My wife's then employer moved from downtown Washington to Rosslyn, Virginia--not a great difference in distance, but a worse commute. [Edit] I should add that this employer then moved back to Washington, DC. The Rosslyn location had the merit of being close to a Metro station, the new location was a mile or more from one.

Long commutes are also a subsidy to your employer. If employers paid enough for a similar standard of living down the block from the office, that's what everyone would do.

SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago

Truth. Would employers be ok with long commutes if they had to subsidize the cost of the commute from the time and fuel/wear and tear cost? Suddenly under that hypothetical scenario WFH becomes a lot more attractive

re-thc 4y ago
That mostly never happens. Even in the past when you had to travel, a lot of time is spent packing, going to the airport etc that's never accounted for as a part of your "work hours".
- SOLAR_FIELDS 4y ago
  True, but that’s more of a slight against what is culturally billable as work time vs the reality of the intangibles of how much it costs to commute in the employee-employer relationship
proggy 4y ago
It’s uncommon worldwide, but the majority of Japanese companies pay for employees’ regular daily commuting expenses in full [1]. Typically this is in the form of a commuter ticket that is good for journeys anywhere on the route between your home and work. Pretty handy if you want to break up your journey midway to run some errands or stop off at a cafe or restaurant. Granted, this is something of a holdover from Japanese society in the late 20th century where lifetime employment was the norm, and nowadays this practice is becoming slightly less common. For instance, a specialist working for a Japanese company (like myself, a few years back), should expect to pay for their own transportation costs. Frankly, it was worth bearing the cost myself, though, as I did not need to reciprocate loyalty to the company in the same way my coworkers did by spending long hours at the office and participating in mandatory-ish social gatherings that lasted late into the night. [1] https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/10/14/business/how-employer-transportation-allowances-helped-create-commuter-hell/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/10/14/business/how-em...
AHOHA 4y ago
I worked before in some companies that they pay you 10% of your salary as a commute compensation, and 25% for housing, outside the US.

paulmendoza 4y ago

Long commutes are mostly employees choosing to live further away from the office. I saw it often with my coworkers. They could have lived closer to the office. I got a place across the street from my office. Later we choose to move away because we wanted a bigger house. If everyone moved within 3 miles of their office it would massively cleanup the traffic commute situation. But we build huge highways which subsidizes people who live far away from their offices.

gvurrdon 4y ago
I’m reminded of a previous house move. A two-bedroom flat 20 miles from work was £125k, and one within a mile, but otherwise similar, was about £350k. I could barely afford the first one.
Vrondi 4y ago
Most of the time, if your employer is in town, housing there costs a lot more for a lot less (or the same) space. Many people cannot afford to double or triple (or more) their housing cost in order to live in town close to their work. Employers aren't willing to pay you more if you live closer to work in order to compensate you for this increase in costs. And then, there's no guarantee that this job you've arranged your life around will be permanent or career-long, so why do it? Why increase your rent or mortgage immensely to use more of the identical paycheck for a decreased standard of living with no guarantees of employment stability? And that's before we consider any other factors like where the better schools/less violent areas/etc. might be for raising children.
cafard 4y ago
We knew a family in a close-in suburb of Washington, DC, about a mile outside the Beltway. Both parents worked for the EPA at White Oak, perhaps three miles from their house. Then the government reshuffled, and that part of the EPA ended up in Crystal City, Virginia, may twelve miles away, but a much longer commute. This kind of thing happens to people a lot. My wife's then employer moved from downtown Washington to Rosslyn, Virginia--not a great difference in distance, but a worse commute. [Edit] I should add that this employer then moved back to Washington, DC. The Rosslyn location had the merit of being close to a Metro station, the new location was a mile or more from one.