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To anyone who may be pasting code along the lines of 'convert this sql table schema into a [pydantic model|JSON Schema]' where you're pasting in the text, just

To anyone who may be pasting code along the lines of 'convert this sql table schema into a [pydantic model|JSON Schema]' where you're pasting in the text, just ask it instead to write you a [python|go|bash|...] function that reads in a text file and 'converts an sql table schema to output x' or whatever. Related/not-related--great pandas docs replacement is another great+safe use-case. Point is, for a meaningful subset of high-value use-cases you don't need to move your important private stuff across any trust boundaries, and it still can be pretty helpful...so just calling that out in case that's useful to anyone...

bsder 4y ago
Do you really think the people asking ChatGPT to write their code can make that abstraction? The fact that the can't do this is the whole reason they have to use ChatGPT.
- lukifer 4y ago
  I’ve been doing this kind of thing pretty regularly for the past few weeks, even though I know how to do any of the tasks in question. It’s usually still faster, even when taking the time to anonymize the details; and I don’t paste anything I wouldn’t put on a public gist (lots of “foo, bar”, etc)
- funfunfunction 4y ago
  People aren’t using ChatGPT because they can’t do it themselves, they’re using it to save time.
- q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 4y ago
  I use it because it's 10-100x more interesting, fun, and fast as a way to program, instead of me having to personally hand-craft hundreds of lines of boilerplate API interaction code every time I want to get something done. Besides, it's not like it puts out great code (or even always working code), so I still have to read everything and debug it. And sometimes it writes code that is just fine and fit for purpose and horrendously ugly, so I still have to scrap everything and do it myself. (And then sometimes I spend 10x as long doing that, because it turns out it's also just plain good fun to grow an aesthetic corner of the code just for the hell of it, too — as long as I don't have to.) And even after all that extra time is factored back in: it's still way faster and more fun than the before-times. I'm actually enjoying building things again.
  - halfjoking 4y ago
    Pair-programming with ChatGPT is like having an idiot-savant friend who always surprises you. Doesn’t matter if the code is horrible, amazing, or something inbetween. It’s always interesting. And I agree it’s fun. Maybe it’s the simulated social interaction without consequences. I can be completely honest with my robot friend about the shitty or awesome code and no one’s feelings are going to get hurt. ChatGPT will just keep trying to be helpful.
- nirav72 4y ago
  You can be an experienced developers with years building complex applications behind you and still find ChatGPT useful. I've found it useful for documenting individual methods or simply explaining my own/other's code or writing unit test methods or just using it to add boilerplate stuff that saves me an hour that I use elsewhere.
  - taberiand 4y ago
    I think many people find ChatGPT useful specifically because they have years of experience building complex applications. If you know exactly what you want to ask of it, and have the ability to evaluate and verify what it produces, it's incredible what you can get out of it. Sure it's nothing I couldn't have done otherwise... eventually. The productivity it enables is worth every cent. Easily the best $20 I've spent in ages, they should have run with the initial idea of charging $42. But holy moly anyone putting confidential information into it needs to stop
- lpapez 4y ago
  Precisely because I can abstract it is why I use ChatGPT. It can do the boring, tedious, repetitive stuff instead of me and has shown me the joy of using programming to solve ACTUAL problems yet again, instead of having to spend hours on unimportant problems like "how do I do X with library Y".
ChatPGT 4y ago
I'm doing that since day one. I can't believe people are pasting real data into this corporate black boxes.
- Teever 4y ago
  To your average user who interfaces with these figurative black boxes with a black box in their hand, how is this particular black box any different than the other black boxes that this user hands their data to every second of every day?
  - ChatPGT 4y ago
    No idea
  - mc32 4y ago
    Those typically have MSAs with legalese where parties stipulate what they will and will not do and often whether or not it’s zero knowledge and often option to have your own instance encryption keys. If people are using the free version of chatGPT then it’s unlikely there is a contract between the companies and more likely just a terms of use applied by chatGPT and ignored by the users.
  - serf 4y ago
    there are plenty of disallowed 'black boxes' within the federal sphere; chatgpt is just yet another. to take a stab at your question, though : my cell phone doesn't learn to get better by absorbing my telecommunications; it's just used as a means to spy on my personal life by The Powers That Be. The primary purpose of my cell phone is for the conveyance of telecommunications. chatGPT hordes data for training and self-improvement in its' current state. It's whole modus operandi involves the capture of data, rather than it being used for that tangentially. It could not meaningfully exist without training on something, and at this stage of the game it's the trend to self-train with user data. Until that trend changes people should probably be a bit more suspect about what kind of stuff gets thrown into the training bin.
- gwright 4y ago
  What about Google Docs, Office 365, Github, AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, JIRA, Zendesk, etc? What is different about ChatGPT (if anything)?
Foobar8568 4y ago
At first I was impressed by how easy it was to reach a data model with chatgpt, then I laughed as I tried to tweak it and use it. I realized it didn't really have any model concepts and was just using its various KB. I am unsure if the so called AI can think in models but so far, not but still an impressive assisting tool if you take care of its limitations. Another point where it lacks is in logic, my daughter has a lot of fun with the book "what is the name of this book?" but she was struggling with the "map of baal" explanation, her the answer was a certain map, yet the book had another answer, I had a third one as I interpreted a proposition. I never got an answer without a contradiction in chatgpt reasoning, and the book had been mistranslated to French so one of its propositions was changed (C, both A and B were knaves) but not the answer.
- senko 4y ago
  > At first I was impressed by how easy it was to reach a data model with chatgpt, then I laughed as I tried to tweak it and use it. I realized it didn't really have any model concepts and was just using its various KB. > I am unsure if the so called AI can think in models but so far, not but still an impressive assisting tool if you take care of its limitations. I don't know. I'm using it for exactly that ("here's a problem, come up with a data model") and it gives a great starting point.[0] Not perfect, but after that it's easy to tweak it the old-fashioned way. I find its data modelling capabilities (in the domain I'm using it for - API services) to be rougly on par with a mid-level developer (for a handwavy definition of "midlevel"). [0] https://apibakery.com/demo/ai/ https://apibakery.com/demo/ai/
- taberiand 4y ago
  Did you prime it before asking, so it was answering in the appropriate context?

bsder 4y ago

Do you really think the people asking ChatGPT to write their code can make that abstraction? The fact that the can't do this is the whole reason they have to use ChatGPT.

lukifer 4y ago
I’ve been doing this kind of thing pretty regularly for the past few weeks, even though I know how to do any of the tasks in question. It’s usually still faster, even when taking the time to anonymize the details; and I don’t paste anything I wouldn’t put on a public gist (lots of “foo, bar”, etc)
funfunfunction 4y ago
People aren’t using ChatGPT because they can’t do it themselves, they’re using it to save time.
q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 4y ago
I use it because it's 10-100x more interesting, fun, and fast as a way to program, instead of me having to personally hand-craft hundreds of lines of boilerplate API interaction code every time I want to get something done. Besides, it's not like it puts out great code (or even always working code), so I still have to read everything and debug it. And sometimes it writes code that is just fine and fit for purpose and horrendously ugly, so I still have to scrap everything and do it myself. (And then sometimes I spend 10x as long doing that, because it turns out it's also just plain good fun to grow an aesthetic corner of the code just for the hell of it, too — as long as I don't have to.) And even after all that extra time is factored back in: it's still way faster and more fun than the before-times. I'm actually enjoying building things again.
- halfjoking 4y ago
  Pair-programming with ChatGPT is like having an idiot-savant friend who always surprises you. Doesn’t matter if the code is horrible, amazing, or something inbetween. It’s always interesting. And I agree it’s fun. Maybe it’s the simulated social interaction without consequences. I can be completely honest with my robot friend about the shitty or awesome code and no one’s feelings are going to get hurt. ChatGPT will just keep trying to be helpful.
nirav72 4y ago
You can be an experienced developers with years building complex applications behind you and still find ChatGPT useful. I've found it useful for documenting individual methods or simply explaining my own/other's code or writing unit test methods or just using it to add boilerplate stuff that saves me an hour that I use elsewhere.
- taberiand 4y ago
  I think many people find ChatGPT useful specifically because they have years of experience building complex applications. If you know exactly what you want to ask of it, and have the ability to evaluate and verify what it produces, it's incredible what you can get out of it. Sure it's nothing I couldn't have done otherwise... eventually. The productivity it enables is worth every cent. Easily the best $20 I've spent in ages, they should have run with the initial idea of charging $42. But holy moly anyone putting confidential information into it needs to stop
lpapez 4y ago
Precisely because I can abstract it is why I use ChatGPT. It can do the boring, tedious, repetitive stuff instead of me and has shown me the joy of using programming to solve ACTUAL problems yet again, instead of having to spend hours on unimportant problems like "how do I do X with library Y".

ChatPGT 4y ago

I'm doing that since day one. I can't believe people are pasting real data into this corporate black boxes.

Teever 4y ago
To your average user who interfaces with these figurative black boxes with a black box in their hand, how is this particular black box any different than the other black boxes that this user hands their data to every second of every day?
- ChatPGT 4y ago
  No idea
- mc32 4y ago
  Those typically have MSAs with legalese where parties stipulate what they will and will not do and often whether or not it’s zero knowledge and often option to have your own instance encryption keys. If people are using the free version of chatGPT then it’s unlikely there is a contract between the companies and more likely just a terms of use applied by chatGPT and ignored by the users.
- serf 4y ago
  there are plenty of disallowed 'black boxes' within the federal sphere; chatgpt is just yet another. to take a stab at your question, though : my cell phone doesn't learn to get better by absorbing my telecommunications; it's just used as a means to spy on my personal life by The Powers That Be. The primary purpose of my cell phone is for the conveyance of telecommunications. chatGPT hordes data for training and self-improvement in its' current state. It's whole modus operandi involves the capture of data, rather than it being used for that tangentially. It could not meaningfully exist without training on something, and at this stage of the game it's the trend to self-train with user data. Until that trend changes people should probably be a bit more suspect about what kind of stuff gets thrown into the training bin.
gwright 4y ago
What about Google Docs, Office 365, Github, AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, JIRA, Zendesk, etc? What is different about ChatGPT (if anything)?

Foobar8568 4y ago

At first I was impressed by how easy it was to reach a data model with chatgpt, then I laughed as I tried to tweak it and use it. I realized it didn't really have any model concepts and was just using its various KB. I am unsure if the so called AI can think in models but so far, not but still an impressive assisting tool if you take care of its limitations. Another point where it lacks is in logic, my daughter has a lot of fun with the book "what is the name of this book?" but she was struggling with the "map of baal" explanation, her the answer was a certain map, yet the book had another answer, I had a third one as I interpreted a proposition. I never got an answer without a contradiction in chatgpt reasoning, and the book had been mistranslated to French so one of its propositions was changed (C, both A and B were knaves) but not the answer.

senko 4y ago
> At first I was impressed by how easy it was to reach a data model with chatgpt, then I laughed as I tried to tweak it and use it. I realized it didn't really have any model concepts and was just using its various KB. > I am unsure if the so called AI can think in models but so far, not but still an impressive assisting tool if you take care of its limitations. I don't know. I'm using it for exactly that ("here's a problem, come up with a data model") and it gives a great starting point.[0] Not perfect, but after that it's easy to tweak it the old-fashioned way. I find its data modelling capabilities (in the domain I'm using it for - API services) to be rougly on par with a mid-level developer (for a handwavy definition of "midlevel"). [0] https://apibakery.com/demo/ai/ https://apibakery.com/demo/ai/
taberiand 4y ago
Did you prime it before asking, so it was answering in the appropriate context?