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This really depends on the cost/benefit tradeoff for the entity in question. If using ChatGPT makes you X% more productive (shipping faster / lowers labor costs

This really depends on the cost/benefit tradeoff for the entity in question. If using ChatGPT makes you X% more productive (shipping faster / lowers labor costs / etc), but comes with Y% risk of data leakage, is that worth it in expectation or not? I would argue that there definitely exist companies for which it's worth the tradeoff. By the way, OpenAI says they wont use data submitted through its API for model training - https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/01/addressing-criticism-openai-will-no-longer-use-customer-data-to-train-its-models-by-default/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/01/addressing-criticism-opena...

HeavyStorm 4y ago
You've certainly not worked with _real_ sensitive data. The kind that can bankrupt your business. I do and if it could be leaked through ChatGPT I would have it blocked. Risk isn't a single dimension, it's a combination of exposure (chance of happening) and impact (how much will you lose)
- KyeRussell 4y ago
  Mate. You aren’t special. It’s the nature of the profession that most of us are in, that we end up dealing with the “sensitive” data that you’re describing, barring most people working in Big Companies with proper internal controls. Nothing you’ve said negates anything OP said. It’s simply an elaboration wrapped in elitism.
heyyyouu 4y ago
But that's the API, not the Chat input or Playground. Companies can use Azure OpenAI Services to get around this -- there's data privacy, encryption, SLAs even. The problem is it's very hard to get access to (right now).
eldaisfish 4y ago
the #1 problem with corporations saying things is that many things they say are not regulated or are taken on good faith. What happens with OpenAI are acquired and the rules change? These comments are often entirely worthless.
- KyeRussell 4y ago
  These are contractual terms.
osterbit2 4y ago
To anyone who may be pasting code along the lines of 'convert this sql table schema into a [pydantic model|JSON Schema]' where you're pasting in the text, just ask it instead to write you a [python|go|bash|...] function that reads in a text file and 'converts an sql table schema to output x' or whatever. Related/not-related--great pandas docs replacement is another great+safe use-case. Point is, for a meaningful subset of high-value use-cases you don't need to move your important private stuff across any trust boundaries, and it still can be pretty helpful...so just calling that out in case that's useful to anyone...
- bsder 4y ago
  Do you really think the people asking ChatGPT to write their code can make that abstraction? The fact that the can't do this is the whole reason they have to use ChatGPT.
  - lukifer 4y ago
    I’ve been doing this kind of thing pretty regularly for the past few weeks, even though I know how to do any of the tasks in question. It’s usually still faster, even when taking the time to anonymize the details; and I don’t paste anything I wouldn’t put on a public gist (lots of “foo, bar”, etc)
  - funfunfunction 4y ago
    People aren’t using ChatGPT because they can’t do it themselves, they’re using it to save time.
  - q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 4y ago
    I use it because it's 10-100x more interesting, fun, and fast as a way to program, instead of me having to personally hand-craft hundreds of lines of boilerplate API interaction code every time I want to get something done. Besides, it's not like it puts out great code (or even always working code), so I still have to read everything and debug it. And sometimes it writes code that is just fine and fit for purpose and horrendously ugly, so I still have to scrap everything and do it myself. (And then sometimes I spend 10x as long doing that, because it turns out it's also just plain good fun to grow an aesthetic corner of the code just for the hell of it, too — as long as I don't have to.) And even after all that extra time is factored back in: it's still way faster and more fun than the before-times. I'm actually enjoying building things again.
eptcyka 4y ago
Risk of leakage? It is not a risk, it is a matter of time.
crabmusket 4y ago
> If using ChatGPT makes you X% more productive (shipping faster / lowers labor costs / etc), but comes with Y% risk of data leakage X and Y are not alike, and should not be compared. X is a benefit to you(r employer), whereas Y is a risk to the customer who has entrusted you with their data.

HeavyStorm 4y ago

You've certainly not worked with _real_ sensitive data. The kind that can bankrupt your business. I do and if it could be leaked through ChatGPT I would have it blocked. Risk isn't a single dimension, it's a combination of exposure (chance of happening) and impact (how much will you lose)

KyeRussell 4y ago
Mate. You aren’t special. It’s the nature of the profession that most of us are in, that we end up dealing with the “sensitive” data that you’re describing, barring most people working in Big Companies with proper internal controls. Nothing you’ve said negates anything OP said. It’s simply an elaboration wrapped in elitism.

heyyyouu 4y ago

But that's the API, not the Chat input or Playground. Companies can use Azure OpenAI Services to get around this -- there's data privacy, encryption, SLAs even. The problem is it's very hard to get access to (right now).

eldaisfish 4y ago

the #1 problem with corporations saying things is that many things they say are not regulated or are taken on good faith. What happens with OpenAI are acquired and the rules change? These comments are often entirely worthless.

KyeRussell 4y ago
These are contractual terms.

osterbit2 4y ago

To anyone who may be pasting code along the lines of 'convert this sql table schema into a [pydantic model|JSON Schema]' where you're pasting in the text, just ask it instead to write you a [python|go|bash|...] function that reads in a text file and 'converts an sql table schema to output x' or whatever. Related/not-related--great pandas docs replacement is another great+safe use-case. Point is, for a meaningful subset of high-value use-cases you don't need to move your important private stuff across any trust boundaries, and it still can be pretty helpful...so just calling that out in case that's useful to anyone...

bsder 4y ago
Do you really think the people asking ChatGPT to write their code can make that abstraction? The fact that the can't do this is the whole reason they have to use ChatGPT.
- lukifer 4y ago
  I’ve been doing this kind of thing pretty regularly for the past few weeks, even though I know how to do any of the tasks in question. It’s usually still faster, even when taking the time to anonymize the details; and I don’t paste anything I wouldn’t put on a public gist (lots of “foo, bar”, etc)
- funfunfunction 4y ago
  People aren’t using ChatGPT because they can’t do it themselves, they’re using it to save time.
- q7xvh97o2pDhNrh 4y ago
  I use it because it's 10-100x more interesting, fun, and fast as a way to program, instead of me having to personally hand-craft hundreds of lines of boilerplate API interaction code every time I want to get something done. Besides, it's not like it puts out great code (or even always working code), so I still have to read everything and debug it. And sometimes it writes code that is just fine and fit for purpose and horrendously ugly, so I still have to scrap everything and do it myself. (And then sometimes I spend 10x as long doing that, because it turns out it's also just plain good fun to grow an aesthetic corner of the code just for the hell of it, too — as long as I don't have to.) And even after all that extra time is factored back in: it's still way faster and more fun than the before-times. I'm actually enjoying building things again.

eptcyka 4y ago

Risk of leakage? It is not a risk, it is a matter of time.

crabmusket 4y ago

> If using ChatGPT makes you X% more productive (shipping faster / lowers labor costs / etc), but comes with Y% risk of data leakage X and Y are not alike, and should not be compared. X is a benefit to you(r employer), whereas Y is a risk to the customer who has entrusted you with their data.