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I’ve got four kids (ages 2 - 10) so I’m likely prime target demographic for Disney. Didn’t take my kids to see any of these, haven’t streamed them. Before 202

by Hayvok 4y ago

I’ve got four kids (ages 2 - 10) so I’m likely prime target demographic for Disney. Didn’t take my kids to see any of these, haven’t streamed them. Before 2020 we probably saw every Disney and Pixar animation movie since 2012 with our kids. Some of them multiple times - Inside Out was genius, and I still hum Moana to myself. We had zero interest in these movies from the trailers, and once we learned they would come with great big ice cream scoops of propaganda and eye-rolling allegory it was easy to say “no thanks” and keep our money.

AussieWog93 4y ago
Encanto's pretty fun. No dodgy propaganda, and the music is even better than Moana.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Dodgy propaganda?
  - AussieWog93 4y ago
    The parent was complaining about modern Disney films containing (I'm assuming "woke") propaganda. Encanto was just a really relatable story about a family.
    - VBprogrammer 4y ago
      Oh come on, the level of wokeness was off the charts! It had a female body builder and the lead character even had glasses for crying out loud. /s
- glitchc 4y ago
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  - mcphage 4y ago
    > that the strong roles are all played by women, while men either bumble or act maliciously throughout the movie. I think you went into that movie with a preconceived notion, because that doesn't match up with the actual movie. For starters, there aren't any malicious characters, there's just well meaning family who sometimes make poor decisions. The closest thing to antagonistic relationships are between Mirabel and Isabella, and Mirabel and her grandmother.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    >>the strong roles are all played by women That's propaganda now? Damn, make sure no one stumbles into a propaganda production like Kill Bill, or such an obviously wake drivel like the original Alien. >>while men either bumble or act maliciously throughout the movie Felix is the embodiment of a strong masculine character - looking after his wife and child at every step, with all the typical traits you'd associate with men. And Mirabel's father(Augustin) is literally the only character willing to stand up to the grandmother and her abbhorent treatment of Mirabel. I don't know which version of encanto you've watched, but I don't recall a single male character acting maliciously throughout this entire film - it doesn't happen.
  - evan_ 4y ago
    specifically which men are malicious or bumbling? The only thing I can think of that's even close is that Augustín gets stung by some bees in the opening and then again later as a callback, which is mostly just so we can see that Julieta can heal people. Bruno is maybe shown to be cowardly but then he risks his life multiple times to save other characters and rushes to take the blame for something that's not his fault to protect Mirabel. Other than that I'm at a complete loss.
  - koheripbal 4y ago
    Women in strong roles is not propaganda and not new.
toast0 4y ago
> once we learned they would come with great big ice cream scoops of propaganda and eye-rolling allegory Is that new for Disney? Or is it just you don't like the current flavor of propaganda and allegory?
- koheripbal 4y ago
  I don't recall the propaganda in my kids' previous favorites - Cars, Frozen, and Up. What propaganda was there in those? My former favorites as a kid were the Little Mermaid and Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Did I miss the agenda in those?
  - tzs 4y ago
    "Frozen" drew a fair amount of complaints in right-which Christian circles for being pro-gay. They see the "Let It Go" song as about coming out. Also the sauna at the trading post. There was a man and 4 kids in the sauna, and the only other person we saw who wasn't just someone stopping in to trade was the owner, also a man. So apparently that clearly makes the two men a gay couple with some adopted children. An interesting place for movie reviews, regardless of your political or religious leanings, is the entertainment section at christiananswers.net. I'm an atheist but find it quite helpful. In the reviews themselves they rate the movies both on moviemaking quality and moral quality, and cover both aspects in the review. They are quite willing to rate a movie 5 out of 5 on moviemaking quality and praise its story, acting, cinematography and so on, while at the same time rating it as extremely offensive and telling you in detail why seeing it might put your soul at risk. There are comments there too which are almost never useful, but are often quite amusing. For example on one of the Harry Potter film reviews one of the commentators went on about how the film is actually promoting real witchcraft, and explained that before she became Christian she was a witch, performed real spells that worked, and the Harry Potter books and movies are an accurate portrayal of that real witchcraft and the spells that she use to use.
    - mcphage 4y ago
      > Also the sauna at the trading post. There was a man and 4 kids in the sauna, and the only other person we saw who wasn't just someone stopping in to trade was the owner, also a man. So apparently that clearly makes the two men a gay couple with some adopted children. In the musical, they turn that scene into a giant naked chorus line singing about hygge.

by Hayvok 4y ago

AussieWog93 4y ago

Encanto's pretty fun. No dodgy propaganda, and the music is even better than Moana.

themitigating 4y ago
Dodgy propaganda?
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  The parent was complaining about modern Disney films containing (I'm assuming "woke") propaganda. Encanto was just a really relatable story about a family.
  - VBprogrammer 4y ago
    Oh come on, the level of wokeness was off the charts! It had a female body builder and the lead character even had glasses for crying out loud. /s
glitchc 4y ago
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- mcphage 4y ago
  > that the strong roles are all played by women, while men either bumble or act maliciously throughout the movie. I think you went into that movie with a preconceived notion, because that doesn't match up with the actual movie. For starters, there aren't any malicious characters, there's just well meaning family who sometimes make poor decisions. The closest thing to antagonistic relationships are between Mirabel and Isabella, and Mirabel and her grandmother.
- gambiting 4y ago
  >>the strong roles are all played by women That's propaganda now? Damn, make sure no one stumbles into a propaganda production like Kill Bill, or such an obviously wake drivel like the original Alien. >>while men either bumble or act maliciously throughout the movie Felix is the embodiment of a strong masculine character - looking after his wife and child at every step, with all the typical traits you'd associate with men. And Mirabel's father(Augustin) is literally the only character willing to stand up to the grandmother and her abbhorent treatment of Mirabel. I don't know which version of encanto you've watched, but I don't recall a single male character acting maliciously throughout this entire film - it doesn't happen.
- evan_ 4y ago
  specifically which men are malicious or bumbling? The only thing I can think of that's even close is that Augustín gets stung by some bees in the opening and then again later as a callback, which is mostly just so we can see that Julieta can heal people. Bruno is maybe shown to be cowardly but then he risks his life multiple times to save other characters and rushes to take the blame for something that's not his fault to protect Mirabel. Other than that I'm at a complete loss.
- koheripbal 4y ago
  Women in strong roles is not propaganda and not new.

toast0 4y ago

> once we learned they would come with great big ice cream scoops of propaganda and eye-rolling allegory Is that new for Disney? Or is it just you don't like the current flavor of propaganda and allegory?

koheripbal 4y ago
I don't recall the propaganda in my kids' previous favorites - Cars, Frozen, and Up. What propaganda was there in those? My former favorites as a kid were the Little Mermaid and Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. Did I miss the agenda in those?
- tzs 4y ago
  "Frozen" drew a fair amount of complaints in right-which Christian circles for being pro-gay. They see the "Let It Go" song as about coming out. Also the sauna at the trading post. There was a man and 4 kids in the sauna, and the only other person we saw who wasn't just someone stopping in to trade was the owner, also a man. So apparently that clearly makes the two men a gay couple with some adopted children. An interesting place for movie reviews, regardless of your political or religious leanings, is the entertainment section at christiananswers.net. I'm an atheist but find it quite helpful. In the reviews themselves they rate the movies both on moviemaking quality and moral quality, and cover both aspects in the review. They are quite willing to rate a movie 5 out of 5 on moviemaking quality and praise its story, acting, cinematography and so on, while at the same time rating it as extremely offensive and telling you in detail why seeing it might put your soul at risk. There are comments there too which are almost never useful, but are often quite amusing. For example on one of the Harry Potter film reviews one of the commentators went on about how the film is actually promoting real witchcraft, and explained that before she became Christian she was a witch, performed real spells that worked, and the Harry Potter books and movies are an accurate portrayal of that real witchcraft and the spells that she use to use.
  - mcphage 4y ago
    > Also the sauna at the trading post. There was a man and 4 kids in the sauna, and the only other person we saw who wasn't just someone stopping in to trade was the owner, also a man. So apparently that clearly makes the two men a gay couple with some adopted children. In the musical, they turn that scene into a giant naked chorus line singing about hygge.