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Glad I work for a company where the CEO pays for everyones ChatGPT Plus for the devs. If you think your code is special then you're wrong.

strus 4y ago
> If you think your code is special then you're wrong Your code is not special, but customers data may be. Also, some companies needs to comply to various certifications, and proven leak of source code that was put into some third party tool may be a reason to revoke such certification. Which can cause a serious financial harm to a given company, as it can lead to ex. losing government clients. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
helsinki 4y ago
Your code might not be special, but I think plenty of hedge funds and prop trading firms beg to differ.
croes 4y ago
You are still transferring your business data to an external entity, but on top of it you pay for it. And if you think that there is no special code then you're wrong.
- yathrowaway01 4y ago
  If you think random snippets of code are special you really don't understand the business you're writing code for. So no, your code is not special, and pasting code snippets is not transferring business data.
  - jabradoodle 4y ago
    What do you know about the code written by the people you are replying to? Lots of code expresses buisness strategy that is a competitive advantage/ sensitive. My org has done a risk assessment and accepted the risk of using such tools; arguing there is no risk is short sighted.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    > pasting code snippets is not transferring business data. It literally is exactly that. You don't think the code a business creates is "business data"?
    - yathrowaway01 4y ago
      [dead]
  - quickthrower2 4y ago
    You forgot IANAL
JohnFen 4y ago
That entirely depends on the code. It's not that the code is special, it's that the code can reveal things that are competitive advantages (future plans, etc.)
msm_ 4y ago
But you created a throwaway account specifically to reply in this thread? Unless your company really has nothing to hide, it's easy to accidentally dump a company secret or an API key in a chat session. Of course if everyone is aware of this and constantly careful then you may be OK.
- yathrowaway01 4y ago
  That's because accounts get shadow banned all the time when people get upset when you point out hard truths. If you're copy pasting API keys or such into ANYTHING, you probably shouldn't be a programmer to begin with. It's like people who use root account key/secret credentials in their codebase. It's not AWSs fault you got a large bill or got hacked, its because you're dumb.
  - reportgunner 4y ago
    Nice so avoiding getting shadowbanned on hackernews is fine but avoiding getting sued is petty ?
  - bcrosby95 4y ago
    I regularly say shit that pisses people off here and I have never been shadow banned. It sounds like your "hard truths" are something other than just "hard truths", and/or you have a persecution complex.
    - yathrowaway01 4y ago
      Your Karma is over 7000, if you get downvoted your stuff is still visible.
      - rurp 4y ago
        Getting downvoted to gray isn't a "shadow ban" at all. It is however a signal that others didn't find your comment worthwhile.
      - bolanyo 4y ago
krono 4y ago
If the contract says the code is special, then the code is special.
kristianp 4y ago
Does chatgpt plus collect data for training, or does it have more privacy than the free offering?
- kristianp 4y ago
  Replying to myself, it seems your data is still used, unless you fill in a google form to opt out: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6950777-chatgpt-plus https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6950777-chatgpt-plus
  - pama 4y ago
    This Google form requires an organization ID so may not apply to personal GPT+ accounts.
    - ghotli 4y ago
      Mine is personal and I just filled out this form with the ID from the docs. Easy, worked fine. Also thanks to the grandparent comment for surfacing this!
  - mwhitehead867 4y ago
    ChatGPT & DALL-E (non-API products) are opt-out while their API is opt-in https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7039943-data-usage-for-consumer-services-faq https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7039943-data-usage-for-c...
roflyear 4y ago
Code isn't special but what you're working on can be and also it's not your decision if you're not the shareholder.
heavyset_go 4y ago
My code is "special" in the fact that the act of sharing it can carry civil and criminal liabilities for myself, essentially threatening my well-being and freedom. Not my place legally or ethically to share code with 3rd parties that I've been paid to read and write.

strus 4y ago

> If you think your code is special then you're wrong Your code is not special, but customers data may be. Also, some companies needs to comply to various certifications, and proven leak of source code that was put into some third party tool may be a reason to revoke such certification. Which can cause a serious financial harm to a given company, as it can lead to ex. losing government clients. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

helsinki 4y ago

Your code might not be special, but I think plenty of hedge funds and prop trading firms beg to differ.

croes 4y ago

You are still transferring your business data to an external entity, but on top of it you pay for it. And if you think that there is no special code then you're wrong.

yathrowaway01 4y ago
If you think random snippets of code are special you really don't understand the business you're writing code for. So no, your code is not special, and pasting code snippets is not transferring business data.
- jabradoodle 4y ago
  What do you know about the code written by the people you are replying to? Lots of code expresses buisness strategy that is a competitive advantage/ sensitive. My org has done a risk assessment and accepted the risk of using such tools; arguing there is no risk is short sighted.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  > pasting code snippets is not transferring business data. It literally is exactly that. You don't think the code a business creates is "business data"?
  - yathrowaway01 4y ago
    [dead]
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  You forgot IANAL

JohnFen 4y ago

That entirely depends on the code. It's not that the code is special, it's that the code can reveal things that are competitive advantages (future plans, etc.)

msm_ 4y ago

But you created a throwaway account specifically to reply in this thread? Unless your company really has nothing to hide, it's easy to accidentally dump a company secret or an API key in a chat session. Of course if everyone is aware of this and constantly careful then you may be OK.

yathrowaway01 4y ago
That's because accounts get shadow banned all the time when people get upset when you point out hard truths. If you're copy pasting API keys or such into ANYTHING, you probably shouldn't be a programmer to begin with. It's like people who use root account key/secret credentials in their codebase. It's not AWSs fault you got a large bill or got hacked, its because you're dumb.
- reportgunner 4y ago
  Nice so avoiding getting shadowbanned on hackernews is fine but avoiding getting sued is petty ?
- bcrosby95 4y ago
  I regularly say shit that pisses people off here and I have never been shadow banned. It sounds like your "hard truths" are something other than just "hard truths", and/or you have a persecution complex.
  - yathrowaway01 4y ago
    Your Karma is over 7000, if you get downvoted your stuff is still visible.
    - rurp 4y ago
      Getting downvoted to gray isn't a "shadow ban" at all. It is however a signal that others didn't find your comment worthwhile.
    - bolanyo 4y ago

krono 4y ago

If the contract says the code is special, then the code is special.

kristianp 4y ago

Does chatgpt plus collect data for training, or does it have more privacy than the free offering?

kristianp 4y ago
Replying to myself, it seems your data is still used, unless you fill in a google form to opt out: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6950777-chatgpt-plus https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6950777-chatgpt-plus
- pama 4y ago
  This Google form requires an organization ID so may not apply to personal GPT+ accounts.
  - ghotli 4y ago
    Mine is personal and I just filled out this form with the ID from the docs. Easy, worked fine. Also thanks to the grandparent comment for surfacing this!
- mwhitehead867 4y ago
  ChatGPT & DALL-E (non-API products) are opt-out while their API is opt-in https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7039943-data-usage-for-consumer-services-faq https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7039943-data-usage-for-c...

roflyear 4y ago

Code isn't special but what you're working on can be and also it's not your decision if you're not the shareholder.

heavyset_go 4y ago

My code is "special" in the fact that the act of sharing it can carry civil and criminal liabilities for myself, essentially threatening my well-being and freedom. Not my place legally or ethically to share code with 3rd parties that I've been paid to read and write.