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For those who speak russian, Meduza has a recent short story describing how crypto is used to move money in and out of Russia now in a replica. https://meduza.i

For those who speak russian, Meduza has a recent short story describing how crypto is used to move money in and out of Russia now in a replica. https://meduza.io/episodes/2023/03/17/rasskazyvaem-o-sheme-po-kotoroy-dazhe-v-razgar-voyny-i-nesmotrya-na-sanktsii-iz-rossii-v-evropu-vyvodyatsya-pochti-lyubye-dengi-i-nikto-ne-sprashivaet-chi-oni-i-otkuda https://meduza.io/episodes/2023/03/17/rasskazyvaem-o-sheme-p.... A reimplementation of Hawala system with cryptotokens. My crypto-friendly friend found this to be the only way to supply his parents with remittances out of Australia. As I told him, besides gambling, theft and paying for drugs, this is all it is good for.

BLKNSLVR 4y ago
Which, I think, is a pretty good use case.
- pizzalife 4y ago
  From my point of view, there is nothing good about evading sanctions against russia. It's supposed to be painful, and ideally impossible, for Australians to send money to russians in russia.
  - eldenwrong 4y ago
    Why are russians punished for the sins of their government? Should americans get the same treatment then?
    - tristor 4y ago
      > Why are russians punished for the sins of their government? Because they are participating in this governance. Countries bear responsibility collectively for their actions. And yes, absolutely Americans should be held to the same standards.
      - isubkhankulov 4y ago
        What about Venezuela? Should its citizens be punished for Maduro's actions?
      - danielodievich 4y ago
        That was exactly the anguished complaint of my friend in Australia, who is trying to help his family - and with whom he actually does not see eye to eye on the war situation (they are pro or at least acquiescent, he is adamantly against). But they have no money and he wants to help. Just rereading our thread from last year where he says "yeah, they're Zed patriots, they are also sure that their government is fighting global Nazism and global USA hegemony for the betterment of everyone, but should they go hungry because of their beliefs?". My answer was "yes".
        eldenwrong 4y ago
        Not too different from americans believing the war on terror was about freedom. Did they get any sanctions? Nah
        Tao3300 4y ago
        Always a nice thing to tell your friends.
        BLKNSLVR 4y ago
        Respect for your honesty about both the situation and in answer to your friend.
      - eldenwrong 4y ago
        Easy to say when your government has committed worse atrocities and you've never suffered for it
        tristor 4y ago
        It’s true that I’ve never personally suffered for any of the bad deeds of the US government. There are several reasons for that, some nakedly political, but for the most part because when someone in the US government does something horrible it’s not officially approved nor is it accepted and lauded by the people. Take Abu Ghraib, clearly wrongdoing on the part of the government. The folks involved were exposed, prosecuted, and punished. The revelations of the incident kicked off a top down investigation of how military interrogations are performed and a public report on the matter. Politicians were unseated and hands on perpetrators were imprisoned. Contrast that with the current situation where Putin receives widespread support from Russian people for committing war crimes while invading Ukraine and the perpetrators were rewarded. I cannot think of any “worse atrocities” the US has committed in my living memory. There are arguably several situations in US history that should have led to prosecutions that didn’t, such as how we behaved regarding Iraq as another commenter pointed out. I do bear responsibility for that with other Americans, but as you have pointed out we did not suffer the consequences, mostly for political reasons.
  - stickfigure 4y ago
    Are there a lot of Australians trying to send money to Russia? I always imagined crypto would work the other way around, people trying to send value _out_ of Russia.
  - BLKNSLVR 4y ago
    You're unnecessarily narrowing your viewpoint, blinding yourself to the bigger picture. Bigger picture: transfer of value without a middle-man or central authority. Now that's something.
  - ur-whale 4y ago
    > From my point of view, there is nothing good about evading sanctions against russia So, starving folks who may or may not agree with their governments politics is a good thing in your book? You clearly have the moral high ground here.
Sandworm5639 4y ago
The original report in English, linked in the article https://transparency.org.ru/en/news/from-moscow-city-with-crypto-a-step-by-step-guide-to-receiving-cash-from-russia-anonymously-in-london https://transparency.org.ru/en/news/from-moscow-city-with-cr...

BLKNSLVR 4y ago

Which, I think, is a pretty good use case.

pizzalife 4y ago
From my point of view, there is nothing good about evading sanctions against russia. It's supposed to be painful, and ideally impossible, for Australians to send money to russians in russia.
- eldenwrong 4y ago
  Why are russians punished for the sins of their government? Should americans get the same treatment then?
  - tristor 4y ago
    > Why are russians punished for the sins of their government? Because they are participating in this governance. Countries bear responsibility collectively for their actions. And yes, absolutely Americans should be held to the same standards.
    - isubkhankulov 4y ago
      What about Venezuela? Should its citizens be punished for Maduro's actions?
    - danielodievich 4y ago
      That was exactly the anguished complaint of my friend in Australia, who is trying to help his family - and with whom he actually does not see eye to eye on the war situation (they are pro or at least acquiescent, he is adamantly against). But they have no money and he wants to help. Just rereading our thread from last year where he says "yeah, they're Zed patriots, they are also sure that their government is fighting global Nazism and global USA hegemony for the betterment of everyone, but should they go hungry because of their beliefs?". My answer was "yes".
      - eldenwrong 4y ago
        Not too different from americans believing the war on terror was about freedom. Did they get any sanctions? Nah
      - Tao3300 4y ago
        Always a nice thing to tell your friends.
      - BLKNSLVR 4y ago
        Respect for your honesty about both the situation and in answer to your friend.
    - eldenwrong 4y ago
      Easy to say when your government has committed worse atrocities and you've never suffered for it
      - tristor 4y ago
        It’s true that I’ve never personally suffered for any of the bad deeds of the US government. There are several reasons for that, some nakedly political, but for the most part because when someone in the US government does something horrible it’s not officially approved nor is it accepted and lauded by the people. Take Abu Ghraib, clearly wrongdoing on the part of the government. The folks involved were exposed, prosecuted, and punished. The revelations of the incident kicked off a top down investigation of how military interrogations are performed and a public report on the matter. Politicians were unseated and hands on perpetrators were imprisoned. Contrast that with the current situation where Putin receives widespread support from Russian people for committing war crimes while invading Ukraine and the perpetrators were rewarded. I cannot think of any “worse atrocities” the US has committed in my living memory. There are arguably several situations in US history that should have led to prosecutions that didn’t, such as how we behaved regarding Iraq as another commenter pointed out. I do bear responsibility for that with other Americans, but as you have pointed out we did not suffer the consequences, mostly for political reasons.
- stickfigure 4y ago
  Are there a lot of Australians trying to send money to Russia? I always imagined crypto would work the other way around, people trying to send value _out_ of Russia.
- BLKNSLVR 4y ago
  You're unnecessarily narrowing your viewpoint, blinding yourself to the bigger picture. Bigger picture: transfer of value without a middle-man or central authority. Now that's something.
- ur-whale 4y ago
  > From my point of view, there is nothing good about evading sanctions against russia So, starving folks who may or may not agree with their governments politics is a good thing in your book? You clearly have the moral high ground here.

Sandworm5639 4y ago

The original report in English, linked in the article https://transparency.org.ru/en/news/from-moscow-city-with-crypto-a-step-by-step-guide-to-receiving-cash-from-russia-anonymously-in-london https://transparency.org.ru/en/news/from-moscow-city-with-cr...