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Google takes your data and sells it. Literally making your data available to the highest bidder. Is OpenAI doing that? If Google existed in its current form dur

Google takes your data and sells it. Literally making your data available to the highest bidder. Is OpenAI doing that? If Google existed in its current form during the early internet it would be classified in the same category as Bonzai Buddy. Spyware. That is what Google is. So I can very reasonably understand why people would trust OpenAI with data they wouldn't trust Google with. OpenAI hasn't spit in the face of its users yet.

noncoml 4y ago
> Google takes your data and sells it. Literally making your data available to the highest bidder. Even if they are not doing it now(?), what makes you think that they will not do so in the future? It's not like your data has an expiration date.
- philsquared_ 4y ago
  Because they are completely different business models. If OpenAI decides to become an advertising behemoth then I would show concern. Right now they use your data for training (when they use it).
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    OpenAI has already demonstrated that they're all in for maximizing profit. They may not be advertisers, but advertisers aren't the only sorts of companies that make bank by selling personal data. I see no reason to think OpenAI would leave that money on the table.
  - Jensson 4y ago
    OpenAI is selling others data in their model responses. Selling others data is their main business model. If it uses user data to train their models other users could ask "Show me the code for gmail spam filters", and if it was trained on engineers refactoring that spam filter in ChatGPT chances are it would give you the code. If that doesn't count as "selling user data" I don't know what is. They not only sell it, they nicely package and rewrite it to make it easy to avoid copyright claims!
JohnFen 4y ago
> I can very reasonably understand why people would trust OpenAI with data they wouldn't trust Google with. OpenAI hasn't spit in the face of its users yet. In other words, having been burnt once by touching a flame, the conclusion these people draw is that the problem was with that particular flame and they're fine with reaching for a different one?
jankeymeulen 4y ago
Not really. Even the most evil Google one can imagine would realise "your data" is the most valuable thing they possess, selling it would be bad for business. They're selling ads to the highest bidder who's looking for someone with a profile based on your data, but not your data itself.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  True, but that's not actually any better. And it still counts as selling your data, just indirectly.
  - nl 4y ago
    It's completely different in ways that matter to me.
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
> Google takes your data and sells it. Literally making your data available to the highest bidder. But it doesn't, does it? It sells the fact that it knows everything about everyone and can get any ad to the perfect people for it. It's not going on the open market and telling people I regularly buy 12 lbs of marshmallow fluff and then use it in videos I keep on my google drive.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> Google takes your data and sells it. Literally making your data available to the highest bidder. No, Google takes money to present ads to people of different demographics, and uses your data to do that. It doesn’t sell your data, which is, in fact their competitive edge in ads – selling your data would be selling the cow when they’d prefer to sell the milk.

noncoml 4y ago

> Google takes your data and sells it. Literally making your data available to the highest bidder. Even if they are not doing it now(?), what makes you think that they will not do so in the future? It's not like your data has an expiration date.

philsquared_ 4y ago
Because they are completely different business models. If OpenAI decides to become an advertising behemoth then I would show concern. Right now they use your data for training (when they use it).
- JohnFen 4y ago
  OpenAI has already demonstrated that they're all in for maximizing profit. They may not be advertisers, but advertisers aren't the only sorts of companies that make bank by selling personal data. I see no reason to think OpenAI would leave that money on the table.
- Jensson 4y ago
  OpenAI is selling others data in their model responses. Selling others data is their main business model. If it uses user data to train their models other users could ask "Show me the code for gmail spam filters", and if it was trained on engineers refactoring that spam filter in ChatGPT chances are it would give you the code. If that doesn't count as "selling user data" I don't know what is. They not only sell it, they nicely package and rewrite it to make it easy to avoid copyright claims!

JohnFen 4y ago

> I can very reasonably understand why people would trust OpenAI with data they wouldn't trust Google with. OpenAI hasn't spit in the face of its users yet. In other words, having been burnt once by touching a flame, the conclusion these people draw is that the problem was with that particular flame and they're fine with reaching for a different one?

jankeymeulen 4y ago

Not really. Even the most evil Google one can imagine would realise "your data" is the most valuable thing they possess, selling it would be bad for business. They're selling ads to the highest bidder who's looking for someone with a profile based on your data, but not your data itself.

JohnFen 4y ago
True, but that's not actually any better. And it still counts as selling your data, just indirectly.
- nl 4y ago
  It's completely different in ways that matter to me.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

> Google takes your data and sells it. Literally making your data available to the highest bidder. But it doesn't, does it? It sells the fact that it knows everything about everyone and can get any ad to the perfect people for it. It's not going on the open market and telling people I regularly buy 12 lbs of marshmallow fluff and then use it in videos I keep on my google drive.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Google takes your data and sells it. Literally making your data available to the highest bidder. No, Google takes money to present ads to people of different demographics, and uses your data to do that. It doesn’t sell your data, which is, in fact their competitive edge in ads – selling your data would be selling the cow when they’d prefer to sell the milk.