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> "They knew it was far less likely than complications from COVID" COVID has numerous variants. Which variant are you discussing? Indeed, the first variant was

> "They knew it was far less likely than complications from COVID" COVID has numerous variants. Which variant are you discussing? Indeed, the first variant was serious. But what of the later variants like Omicron? Virtually all research I have read about vaccination risk includes cases from 2020 in their assessment, as opposed to separately comparing vaccination risk to each variant. > "SARS-CoV-2 doesn't give you a choice about whether you get treated with the virus. You could weigh the risks vs. benefits of being infected with or without the vaccine" I'm not sure what you mean here, for I already got COVID and it was extremely mild given that I am young and healthy. The risk-benefit ratio varies for each individual, and note that it also depends on the Covid variant. Why should I get vaccinated when I already have natural immunity, which is at least as good, if not superior, to protection from vaccination (from a peer-reviewed publication in the Lancet)?

lern_too_spel 4y ago
> COVID has numerous variants. Which variant are you discussing? Obviously the variants that were spreading at the time the vaccine was rolled out. Which other variants would they compare it to? > Why should I get vaccinated when I already have natural immunity, I never said you should. I said you made a bad decision by getting infected prior to vaccination.
- blueyoda 4y ago
  > Which other variants would they compare it to? I'd say the responsible thing to do is verify if the risk-benefit ratio actually warranted mandates or not for each new variant that became dominant. By the time Omicron became the dominant variant, I could not see any strong reason why mandates were still in place. > I said you made a bad decision by getting infected prior to vaccination. Do you know when I decided to leave lockdown? Do you know which variant I first became infected with? Indeed, I would say the people who left their homes for non-essential reasons during the first variants did not make a wise decision. However, given that Omicron is considered to be much milder than the first variants, and also since I have no prior health conditions and am young and very fit, I would say that I made a sound decision not to receive a product whose side effects are the worst for my demographic. The whole push behind the vaccinations is not that it prevents you from getting COVID - it's that it lowers your risk of hospitalization (although this is not how it was advertised initially). Given that my risk of hospitalization is virtually nil without vaccination, then I see no reason to get vaccinated.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    > I'd say the responsible thing to do is verify if the risk-benefit ratio actually warranted mandates or not for each new variant that became dominant. By the time Omicron became the dominant variant, I could not see any strong reason why mandates were still in place. How is that any different from what happened? When Omicron's severity was understood, vaccines mandates went away. > Do you know when I decided to leave lockdown? Why don't you tell me? I was able to leave by summer 2021 because I wasn't swayed by conspiracy theory blogs.

lern_too_spel 4y ago

> COVID has numerous variants. Which variant are you discussing? Obviously the variants that were spreading at the time the vaccine was rolled out. Which other variants would they compare it to? > Why should I get vaccinated when I already have natural immunity, I never said you should. I said you made a bad decision by getting infected prior to vaccination.

blueyoda 4y ago
> Which other variants would they compare it to? I'd say the responsible thing to do is verify if the risk-benefit ratio actually warranted mandates or not for each new variant that became dominant. By the time Omicron became the dominant variant, I could not see any strong reason why mandates were still in place. > I said you made a bad decision by getting infected prior to vaccination. Do you know when I decided to leave lockdown? Do you know which variant I first became infected with? Indeed, I would say the people who left their homes for non-essential reasons during the first variants did not make a wise decision. However, given that Omicron is considered to be much milder than the first variants, and also since I have no prior health conditions and am young and very fit, I would say that I made a sound decision not to receive a product whose side effects are the worst for my demographic. The whole push behind the vaccinations is not that it prevents you from getting COVID - it's that it lowers your risk of hospitalization (although this is not how it was advertised initially). Given that my risk of hospitalization is virtually nil without vaccination, then I see no reason to get vaccinated.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  > I'd say the responsible thing to do is verify if the risk-benefit ratio actually warranted mandates or not for each new variant that became dominant. By the time Omicron became the dominant variant, I could not see any strong reason why mandates were still in place. How is that any different from what happened? When Omicron's severity was understood, vaccines mandates went away. > Do you know when I decided to leave lockdown? Why don't you tell me? I was able to leave by summer 2021 because I wasn't swayed by conspiracy theory blogs.