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> It's still bizarre though that Rust is capturing such ridiculous mindshare. I don't think it's that bizarre. The two big headline features that bring Rust s

> It's still bizarre though that Rust is capturing such ridiculous mindshare. I don't think it's that bizarre. The two big headline features that bring Rust such popularity are: #1 "70% of bugs are memory-safety bugs" [1] and Rust can help solve those, and #2 C/C++ have a couple of package manager solutions - none of which have critical mass and Rust "comes with" cargo. Those two make me really eager to continue experimenting with Rust. > It seems to be a temporary low-level programming zeitgeist driven by YouTube and Reddit recommendation algorithms to an audience that has never done it and probably never will. This is some weird gatekeep-y kinda thing. Most of us didn't start out with low-level programming. Wouldn't it have been odd and frustrating for someone to tell your younger self that you have "never written C and probably never will"? [1] https://github.com/microsoft/MSRC-Security-Research https://github.com/microsoft/MSRC-Security-Research

netbioserror 4y ago
> This is some weird gatekeep-y kinda thing. Most of us didn't start out with low-level programming. Wouldn't it have been odd and frustrating for someone to tell your younger self that you have "never written C and probably never will"? I'm not making any sorts of demands about who should be able to program at a low level, but I'm being realistic about who will. I have an intuition that I do not think is unreasonable that the vast majority of the 20- to 30-something crowd that recently learned JavaScript in a boot camp would bounce off of systems programming hard, while a handful might discover it's what they should've been doing all along. The young are not who I'm thinking of at all. Someone with time and neuroplasticity can and should be spending that time toying around with C, Haskell, and Lisp to expand their understanding as much as possible.
- Tarq0n 4y ago
  People bounce off of systems programming because C/C++ is hard. Rust's focus on ergonomics, error management, tooling and learning resources actually makes people want to try again.
gpderetta 4y ago
> 70% of bugs are memory-safety bugs 70% of security bugs. Approximately 0% of bugs that I had to deal in my career are memory-safety bugs. That doesn't mean it is not important to fix or avoid security bugs (it indeed is!), but you have to be clear what you are selling.

netbioserror 4y ago

> This is some weird gatekeep-y kinda thing. Most of us didn't start out with low-level programming. Wouldn't it have been odd and frustrating for someone to tell your younger self that you have "never written C and probably never will"? I'm not making any sorts of demands about who should be able to program at a low level, but I'm being realistic about who will. I have an intuition that I do not think is unreasonable that the vast majority of the 20- to 30-something crowd that recently learned JavaScript in a boot camp would bounce off of systems programming hard, while a handful might discover it's what they should've been doing all along. The young are not who I'm thinking of at all. Someone with time and neuroplasticity can and should be spending that time toying around with C, Haskell, and Lisp to expand their understanding as much as possible.

Tarq0n 4y ago
People bounce off of systems programming because C/C++ is hard. Rust's focus on ergonomics, error management, tooling and learning resources actually makes people want to try again.

gpderetta 4y ago

> 70% of bugs are memory-safety bugs 70% of security bugs. Approximately 0% of bugs that I had to deal in my career are memory-safety bugs. That doesn't mean it is not important to fix or avoid security bugs (it indeed is!), but you have to be clear what you are selling.