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I've been using it for long-term memory supplementation. Had a faint memory of driving around in a friend's truck back in high school and was trying to remember

I've been using it for long-term memory supplementation. Had a faint memory of driving around in a friend's truck back in high school and was trying to remember a Marilyn Manson song we always played. Asked it this the other day: > Are there any other marilyn manson songs with a crowd shouting? And it spit out: === Yes, Marilyn Manson has used the sound of a crowd shouting in several other songs besides "The Beautiful People." Here are a few examples: "Irresponsible Hate Anthem" - This song, which appears on the album "Antichrist Superstar," opens with the sound of a crowd chanting "Hate! Hate! Hate! Hate!" before launching into a heavy industrial metal riff. "The Fight Song" - Another track from the "Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death)" album, "The Fight Song" features a crowd chanting "Marilyn Manson" before the song begins. "This Is the New Shit" - This song, from the album "The Golden Age of Grotesque," features a chorus that includes the sound of a crowd shouting "Are you motherfuckers ready for the new shit?" These are just a few examples, as Marilyn Manson has used the technique of incorporating crowd shouting in several of his songs throughout his career. === I'm highly skeptical of GPT/LLM as a replacement for humans at the task-level, but for search, this can't be beat. It replied almost instantaneously. Even more shocking: I think this will seriously destroy Google and the concept of SEO. That's extraordinary considering how pivotal Google is to the internet of today. This is the beginning of the OS in the movie Her.

ipaddr 4y ago
90% of searches are trying to find websites not teach concepts. If they want to learn something it's usually current.. who won the game.. fire locally. If you want to learn how to lift weights simple instructions are not going to replace videos of fit influencers you follow. I think google is safe
drummojg 4y ago
Similarly, I used it to answer the question, "Who was the Black female author whose works were saved from an estate bonfire?" Neither DDG nor Goog could answer for me (kept coming up Maya Angelou which is totally wrong--it was, of course, Zora Neale Hurston as I should have remembered in the first place.
neilv 4y ago
> I think this will seriously destroy Google and the concept of SEO. Presumably, SEO will evolve. An SEO goal might be to have influence over people, and one method is to game the information systems people use. Before, the specific methods involved gaming search engines. Right now, they'll be looking at gaming LLMs.
- marcus_holmes 4y ago
  Presumably by writing content that is hyper-targeted at specific questions (e.g. "which is the best X for me to use?") that the LLM will then consume, hoping that it will be regurgitated as fact when the LLM answers that specific question. [I am not an expert on LLM training, so I might be wrong] This will then mean writing a lot of such content, because hyper-targeted and presumably more repetition = more weighting. Which is too boring a task for a human. So we'll have an LLM that churns out blog articles that are not designed for humans to read, but purely for other LLMs to read. They may even discover optimisations over "natural" language that improve readability for the target LLM. So we'd end up with half the web being full of incomprehensible junk designed to game search results for commercial gain. So no change then ;)
shusaku 4y ago
I like it for tip of my tongue questions too
d0mine 4y ago
How certain are you that these are real songs and not just hallucinations? How would you check it? Web search shows its sources e.g., if it is link to the official YouTube channel, then there is some certainty that is not a fake.
- achenatx 4y ago
  over time it will be able to play the songs and the exact location in the songs. You can ask for references now and it hasnt worked well.
- galleywest200 4y ago
  You check the output by listening to the songs. A web search to find songs of an artist with shouting would take listening to a bunch of tracks you "thought" were it. Now at least you have three to look at first. I did the same thing last night with "Sega dreamcast games with giant robots". It spit out names and I searched them on wikipedia until I found the exact one I remembered. (Slave Zero was the game for the curious)
  - d0mine 4y ago
    You are assuming that a web search is somehow fundamentally worse at finding _existing_ content. Ridiculous. Given that it can use LLMs (among other things) behind the scenes. The opposite can also be true (LLM can use web search), the difference is how likely that BS is generated.
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  Is this a trick question, or something? You look up the song name on YouTube/apple music/Spotify/a song index to listen and see if they ended up being the song you thought about.

ipaddr 4y ago

90% of searches are trying to find websites not teach concepts. If they want to learn something it's usually current.. who won the game.. fire locally. If you want to learn how to lift weights simple instructions are not going to replace videos of fit influencers you follow. I think google is safe

drummojg 4y ago

Similarly, I used it to answer the question, "Who was the Black female author whose works were saved from an estate bonfire?" Neither DDG nor Goog could answer for me (kept coming up Maya Angelou which is totally wrong--it was, of course, Zora Neale Hurston as I should have remembered in the first place.

neilv 4y ago

> I think this will seriously destroy Google and the concept of SEO. Presumably, SEO will evolve. An SEO goal might be to have influence over people, and one method is to game the information systems people use. Before, the specific methods involved gaming search engines. Right now, they'll be looking at gaming LLMs.

marcus_holmes 4y ago
Presumably by writing content that is hyper-targeted at specific questions (e.g. "which is the best X for me to use?") that the LLM will then consume, hoping that it will be regurgitated as fact when the LLM answers that specific question. [I am not an expert on LLM training, so I might be wrong] This will then mean writing a lot of such content, because hyper-targeted and presumably more repetition = more weighting. Which is too boring a task for a human. So we'll have an LLM that churns out blog articles that are not designed for humans to read, but purely for other LLMs to read. They may even discover optimisations over "natural" language that improve readability for the target LLM. So we'd end up with half the web being full of incomprehensible junk designed to game search results for commercial gain. So no change then ;)

shusaku 4y ago

I like it for tip of my tongue questions too

d0mine 4y ago

How certain are you that these are real songs and not just hallucinations? How would you check it? Web search shows its sources e.g., if it is link to the official YouTube channel, then there is some certainty that is not a fake.

achenatx 4y ago
over time it will be able to play the songs and the exact location in the songs. You can ask for references now and it hasnt worked well.
galleywest200 4y ago
You check the output by listening to the songs. A web search to find songs of an artist with shouting would take listening to a bunch of tracks you "thought" were it. Now at least you have three to look at first. I did the same thing last night with "Sega dreamcast games with giant robots". It spit out names and I searched them on wikipedia until I found the exact one I remembered. (Slave Zero was the game for the curious)
- d0mine 4y ago
  You are assuming that a web search is somehow fundamentally worse at finding _existing_ content. Ridiculous. Given that it can use LLMs (among other things) behind the scenes. The opposite can also be true (LLM can use web search), the difference is how likely that BS is generated.
xboxnolifes 4y ago
Is this a trick question, or something? You look up the song name on YouTube/apple music/Spotify/a song index to listen and see if they ended up being the song you thought about.