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Did you actually just compare essentials with a ChatGPT subscription? You're beyond disconnected....

by rany_ 4y ago

burnished 4y ago
Seems fair to gently challenge OPs top level proclamation.
- smaudet 4y ago
  To gently challenge your acceptance of an absurd, disconnected "challenge" - When every service starts pushing 20$ subscription fees onto their service to support their backend usage(s) of these services (in a desperate attempt to remain relevant in a global recession), then every service becomes base + 20$ cost. Tabulate various "services", e.g. netflix, disney+, mail-order subscription(s), lets say two or three, this quickly tabulates to 200$ per month (30 + 30 + 30 + 30 + 30 ~= 150, don't forget shipping and taxes). On a 6 figure salary, that's chump change. On a "above minimum wage" salary, you are lucky to have 20$ a month in spare change. In a world where most jobs have disappeared, your 1500$+ rent and 800$+ month becomes suddenly unaffordable for most people, and as most people are unable to pay, rent/subscription prices rise even more. "Open" AI is truly a disaster in the making, in every possible way.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    20$ is for an individual to have unlimited access to a chat form, not the cost for a scaled up business (which would definitely pay per request.)
zamnos 4y ago
Lol and with the immediate downvotes I got for pointing that out say the masses agree with you. I mean look, I get it, if you're in an industry where ChatGPT isn't immediately useful (it's shit at hard-level leet code questions; it's a hosted solution so your company's IT policies should be stopping you from submitting proprietary data to it, and so on) then all the hype is unjustified. But where this thing is already banging out emails way faster than an unassisted human, it's already essential and companies that don't raise their productivty-per-employee are going to get left behind. If I said Internet access was an essential (especially here) few would disagree with me. But is it really? It's only existed for a few decades, all of humanity lived many, many fulfilling lives so it seems it shouldn't be, but here we are.
- wizzwizz4 4y ago
  > But where this thing is already banging out emails way faster than an unassisted human, … your system is completely broken. Emails are for communicating between people: if they're not being used for that, you need to fix that problem first. > companies that don't raise their productivty-per-employee are going to get left behind Can you give an example of a field where this would actually happen?
  - zamnos 4y ago
    > … your system is completely broken. Emails are for communicating between people: if they're not being used for that, you need to fix that problem first. Can you explain a bit more? I don't think I'm understanding your point. If person A writing emails, to be read by the human that receives it, is able to write 3 emails an hour, vs person B writing 9 emails each of similar complexity to those 3 per hour, person B is 3x as productive, delivers 3x the value to the company and ChatGPT is easily worth $20/hour to both them and the company. > Can you give an example of a field where this would actually happen? From the end of January, ChatGPT Is Already Indispensable for One Profession - Realtors. https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/tech/chatgpt-real-estate-realtors https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/tech/chatgpt-real-est... . My partner is sitting next to me right now as I procrastinate on HN being blown away by the industry-specific outline ChatGPT generated for the training she's developing for her company. She says the outline it developed in minutes would have taken 2-4 hours to write, and they're far from dumb and isn't lazy. If consider a company that just generates training all day, it's only a matter of time when a 10-person AI-assisted company is able to compete with a 50-person unassisted company, and on a way lower budget. (Yes, that does already happen today, and yes, mythical man month and 9-women making a baby in 1-month, and the penalty for increased communication required by the increased team size means that adding employees to a project makes it slower are all a thing, but if we can accept that some 10,000 person companies are just able to produce more, even if we may not see it externally), vs some 10 people companies, then we're just debating the exact numbers and management styles for comparison. Look I know that ChatGPT can't solve hard level leetcode problems yet but talk to any programmers who already find CoPilot indispensible, and ask them if they feel it's helped their productivity. Fine sure, it won't help with the actual hard part of programming, debugging and then fixing really hairy bugs (or maybe the hard part is actually the bit where you have to talk to your software's customers and figure out what their requirements are, vs what they say they are), and while it hallucinates it's not to be totally trusted. But just yesterday I used ChatGPT to just tell me the answer of how to properly quote bash strings for my use case. The minutes I spent waiting for the answer is fewer than the minutes it would have taken me to figure out, and far less frustrating and context-distrupting than the alternative, leaving me able to deal with the bigger problem I'm trying to solve rather than worry about the finer points of ", ' and `, in a mysql -e command line using with me-supplied variables (ie no bobby tables).

Did you actually just compare essentials with a ChatGPT subscription? You're beyond disconnected....

by rany_ 4y ago

Did you actually just compare essentials with a ChatGPT subscription? You're beyond disconnected....

burnished 4y ago

Seems fair to gently challenge OPs top level proclamation.

smaudet 4y ago
To gently challenge your acceptance of an absurd, disconnected "challenge" - When every service starts pushing 20$ subscription fees onto their service to support their backend usage(s) of these services (in a desperate attempt to remain relevant in a global recession), then every service becomes base + 20$ cost. Tabulate various "services", e.g. netflix, disney+, mail-order subscription(s), lets say two or three, this quickly tabulates to 200$ per month (30 + 30 + 30 + 30 + 30 ~= 150, don't forget shipping and taxes). On a 6 figure salary, that's chump change. On a "above minimum wage" salary, you are lucky to have 20$ a month in spare change. In a world where most jobs have disappeared, your 1500$+ rent and 800$+ month becomes suddenly unaffordable for most people, and as most people are unable to pay, rent/subscription prices rise even more. "Open" AI is truly a disaster in the making, in every possible way.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  20$ is for an individual to have unlimited access to a chat form, not the cost for a scaled up business (which would definitely pay per request.)

zamnos 4y ago

Lol and with the immediate downvotes I got for pointing that out say the masses agree with you. I mean look, I get it, if you're in an industry where ChatGPT isn't immediately useful (it's shit at hard-level leet code questions; it's a hosted solution so your company's IT policies should be stopping you from submitting proprietary data to it, and so on) then all the hype is unjustified. But where this thing is already banging out emails way faster than an unassisted human, it's already essential and companies that don't raise their productivty-per-employee are going to get left behind. If I said Internet access was an essential (especially here) few would disagree with me. But is it really? It's only existed for a few decades, all of humanity lived many, many fulfilling lives so it seems it shouldn't be, but here we are.

wizzwizz4 4y ago
> But where this thing is already banging out emails way faster than an unassisted human, … your system is completely broken. Emails are for communicating between people: if they're not being used for that, you need to fix that problem first. > companies that don't raise their productivty-per-employee are going to get left behind Can you give an example of a field where this would actually happen?
- zamnos 4y ago
  > … your system is completely broken. Emails are for communicating between people: if they're not being used for that, you need to fix that problem first. Can you explain a bit more? I don't think I'm understanding your point. If person A writing emails, to be read by the human that receives it, is able to write 3 emails an hour, vs person B writing 9 emails each of similar complexity to those 3 per hour, person B is 3x as productive, delivers 3x the value to the company and ChatGPT is easily worth $20/hour to both them and the company. > Can you give an example of a field where this would actually happen? From the end of January, ChatGPT Is Already Indispensable for One Profession - Realtors. https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/tech/chatgpt-real-estate-realtors https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/tech/chatgpt-real-est... . My partner is sitting next to me right now as I procrastinate on HN being blown away by the industry-specific outline ChatGPT generated for the training she's developing for her company. She says the outline it developed in minutes would have taken 2-4 hours to write, and they're far from dumb and isn't lazy. If consider a company that just generates training all day, it's only a matter of time when a 10-person AI-assisted company is able to compete with a 50-person unassisted company, and on a way lower budget. (Yes, that does already happen today, and yes, mythical man month and 9-women making a baby in 1-month, and the penalty for increased communication required by the increased team size means that adding employees to a project makes it slower are all a thing, but if we can accept that some 10,000 person companies are just able to produce more, even if we may not see it externally), vs some 10 people companies, then we're just debating the exact numbers and management styles for comparison. Look I know that ChatGPT can't solve hard level leetcode problems yet but talk to any programmers who already find CoPilot indispensible, and ask them if they feel it's helped their productivity. Fine sure, it won't help with the actual hard part of programming, debugging and then fixing really hairy bugs (or maybe the hard part is actually the bit where you have to talk to your software's customers and figure out what their requirements are, vs what they say they are), and while it hallucinates it's not to be totally trusted. But just yesterday I used ChatGPT to just tell me the answer of how to properly quote bash strings for my use case. The minutes I spent waiting for the answer is fewer than the minutes it would have taken me to figure out, and far less frustrating and context-distrupting than the alternative, leaving me able to deal with the bigger problem I'm trying to solve rather than worry about the finer points of ", ' and `, in a mysql -e command line using with me-supplied variables (ie no bobby tables).