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> Mac is equally anti-consumer, just differently I've never seen anything as abhorrent as the stuff this article is reporting on, in macOS. A lot of Apple's ha

> Mac is equally anti-consumer, just differently I've never seen anything as abhorrent as the stuff this article is reporting on, in macOS. A lot of Apple's hardware policies and anti-consumer, I'll give you that — is there anything in macOS that you're aware of, that's in a similar ballpark?

Yizahi 4y ago
As I said, I haven't actually used macOS because I can't without significant money investment for unclear reason. But just from the random mentions here and on Reddit over the years I've created a picture that there are issues with that OS too. Like for example there was a gigantic article a few years ago linked here by a windows switcher and pro user, who listed multiple complaints about window handling in the macOS DE. Like happens when use maximize/minimize windows, alt-tab through them, interaction with a taskbar etc. I wouldn't be able to recount all of it, but I got an idea that Win10 was miles ahead in this area (Win11 is trash though). There were articled about upgrade issues, and of course a lot of hardware issues. I guess vendor lock is the key problem. As long as everything is nailed down without options, any defect or even design choice can be effective anti-consumer. All hardware issues become a whole product issues, because OS and hardware are inseparable. Some day maybe I'll try it, even just to see what's all the fuss is about, but vendor lock makes is just hard enough that I simply upgrade my Windows box every time.
- oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
  > multiple complaints about window handling Gotcha. macOS has its own paradigm and does certain things differently, that's for sure, but I don't think it's anything a reasonably experienced user couldn't get used to. It's added things like full-screen in recent years — not as good as a maximised window, IMO, but there are utilities that can handle that. > There were articled about upgrade issues, and of course a lot of hardware issues. I've never run into an upgrade issue, and the fact that they're free is a big bonus. I've had one or two issues with my macbook pro, hardware-wise, but the general quality of the hardware is second-to-none, as far as I'm aware. > everything is nailed down without options This is typically why I, and many others, prefer macOS. I actually don't want to be endlessly tinkering with my OS — I quite enjoyed doing that in the early days, but now I just want to get my work done in the most pleasant environment possible. However, I haven't used any recent Windows versions, so I can't really compare.

Yizahi 4y ago

As I said, I haven't actually used macOS because I can't without significant money investment for unclear reason. But just from the random mentions here and on Reddit over the years I've created a picture that there are issues with that OS too. Like for example there was a gigantic article a few years ago linked here by a windows switcher and pro user, who listed multiple complaints about window handling in the macOS DE. Like happens when use maximize/minimize windows, alt-tab through them, interaction with a taskbar etc. I wouldn't be able to recount all of it, but I got an idea that Win10 was miles ahead in this area (Win11 is trash though). There were articled about upgrade issues, and of course a lot of hardware issues. I guess vendor lock is the key problem. As long as everything is nailed down without options, any defect or even design choice can be effective anti-consumer. All hardware issues become a whole product issues, because OS and hardware are inseparable. Some day maybe I'll try it, even just to see what's all the fuss is about, but vendor lock makes is just hard enough that I simply upgrade my Windows box every time.

oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
> multiple complaints about window handling Gotcha. macOS has its own paradigm and does certain things differently, that's for sure, but I don't think it's anything a reasonably experienced user couldn't get used to. It's added things like full-screen in recent years — not as good as a maximised window, IMO, but there are utilities that can handle that. > There were articled about upgrade issues, and of course a lot of hardware issues. I've never run into an upgrade issue, and the fact that they're free is a big bonus. I've had one or two issues with my macbook pro, hardware-wise, but the general quality of the hardware is second-to-none, as far as I'm aware. > everything is nailed down without options This is typically why I, and many others, prefer macOS. I actually don't want to be endlessly tinkering with my OS — I quite enjoyed doing that in the early days, but now I just want to get my work done in the most pleasant environment possible. However, I haven't used any recent Windows versions, so I can't really compare.