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I mthink realistically, as long as Google can abuse its market position to make any other mobile OSs nonviable by withholding access Gmail and Youtube and so on

by glogla 4y ago

I mthink realistically, as long as Google can abuse its market position to make any other mobile OSs nonviable by withholding access Gmail and Youtube and so on, nothing can challenge Android and iOS (which has the critical mass so that Google can't do this to get rid of it). Even Microsoft with its infinite money failed when competing, because a monopoly to most of the Internet's email and video is just that powerful.

yosito 4y ago
I think you overestimate the importance of Gmail and YouTube in Europe.
- justeleblanc 4y ago
  I'm amazed at these posts. Where have you been in Europe? I live in France and near everyone's personal email is @gmail.com. Youtube is still king (though twitch and tiktok are killing it with the younger people).
  - yosito 4y ago
    I'm Hungarian. While I do know a few people who make a living as YouTubers, I don't feel that it's for everyone. And while Gmail is well-known, I'm pretty sure it doesn't have more than 50% of the email market here. When I've been in Germany, it seems like no one uses Gmail at all.
acdha 4y ago
Windows Phone was more about Microsoft’s failure to execute - I remember users complaining that even Microsoft’s own apps were notably better on iOS. These days I’d also think the bigger question would be availability of popular streaming music & video apps and Tik Tok.
phh 4y ago
If I was making an OS in Europe, I definitely wouldn't mind shipping Google's gmail + youtube Android apps in a non-Google OS. I have very little doubt that the EU's anti-trust would side with me.
palata 4y ago
I use a de-Googled Android system (/e/ OS) with NewPipe (instead of YouTube) and K-9 to fetch my gmail. I even fetch my Google calendar with CalDAV! At least for the mail, that's perfectly fine. I could imagine that heavy users of YouTube don't like NewPipe, maybe? Works fine for me. Really, the only thing is that I don't have Google Maps (but I love OSMAnd and Organic Maps). To me that's fine, but many people find it hard to move to OpenStreetMaps. I have tried Cyanogen in the past, then Lineage, and always went back to the stock Android. I must say that /e/ OS is the very first one that I consider almost at the level (requires to accept NewPipe, K-9 and OSM, but no weird update flow or tuning or crashes or anything like that).

by glogla 4y ago

yosito 4y ago

I think you overestimate the importance of Gmail and YouTube in Europe.

justeleblanc 4y ago
I'm amazed at these posts. Where have you been in Europe? I live in France and near everyone's personal email is @gmail.com. Youtube is still king (though twitch and tiktok are killing it with the younger people).
- yosito 4y ago
  I'm Hungarian. While I do know a few people who make a living as YouTubers, I don't feel that it's for everyone. And while Gmail is well-known, I'm pretty sure it doesn't have more than 50% of the email market here. When I've been in Germany, it seems like no one uses Gmail at all.

acdha 4y ago

Windows Phone was more about Microsoft’s failure to execute - I remember users complaining that even Microsoft’s own apps were notably better on iOS. These days I’d also think the bigger question would be availability of popular streaming music & video apps and Tik Tok.

phh 4y ago

If I was making an OS in Europe, I definitely wouldn't mind shipping Google's gmail + youtube Android apps in a non-Google OS. I have very little doubt that the EU's anti-trust would side with me.

palata 4y ago

I use a de-Googled Android system (/e/ OS) with NewPipe (instead of YouTube) and K-9 to fetch my gmail. I even fetch my Google calendar with CalDAV! At least for the mail, that's perfectly fine. I could imagine that heavy users of YouTube don't like NewPipe, maybe? Works fine for me. Really, the only thing is that I don't have Google Maps (but I love OSMAnd and Organic Maps). To me that's fine, but many people find it hard to move to OpenStreetMaps. I have tried Cyanogen in the past, then Lineage, and always went back to the stock Android. I must say that /e/ OS is the very first one that I consider almost at the level (requires to accept NewPipe, K-9 and OSM, but no weird update flow or tuning or crashes or anything like that).