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Has there ever been a person with less integrity than Elon Musk? He claims to be a “free speech absolutist” then turns around and does the exact opposite.

by nake 4y ago

pseudokawaii 4y ago
Recently he signed a letter to seize any larger scale AI research than GPT-4 saying the scary growth of AI will threaten humanity. And just today he tweeted "If you don't like reality, just ignore it"
ihatepython 4y ago
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consumer451 4y ago
Well for one thing, absolutism appears to mostly be a fool's errand. Thinking about Musk saying that reminded me that I use that people speaking in absolutes as a heuristic for what I think is unwisdom.
anonyfox 4y ago
money/power corrupts. always. I do believe that he was a different person just like 10 years ago. then mortal problems stopped having any meaning to him and he derailed into the right-wing billionaire's club. nowadays its only propaganda and seeking the reinforcement loop feeling that he still is a smart dude and not an asshole - to the point he buys social media platforms to megaphone his own thoughts and supress critics when he gets away with it.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > seeking the reinforcement loop feeling that he still is a smart dude I'm not sure buying twitter did him any favors in that department.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
Free speech doesn't mean that code needs to be open source. It would be appreciated, but I don't see the relation here. I don't get how you can profit from Twitters source code though. I think the configuration of its infrastructure is the larger problem. Perhaps there are some neat ideas to solve certain problems, but there are dozens of open source twitter clones already. I doubt these are worse than that with what Twitter started with, on the contrary.
- nake 4y ago
  No one said anything about code “needing” to be open source. The issue here is that code became public the moment it was uploaded to a public repository. Just because your organization has reckless hiring practices and fails to secure its proprietary code shouldn’t entitle you to be able to use the legal system to doxx every IP who viewed it on a public website in an attempt to track them down seize their machines and claw back the code. How would you feel if I posted a snippet of the leaked code here in this comment and then tomorrow you receive a legal summons or your house gets raided in an attempt to make sure you don’t have a copy?
  - seunosewa 4y ago
    The copyright law doesn't work like that. Uploading to GitHub doesn't invalidate your ownership.
    - nake 4y ago
      So they should file a takedown request. Trying to track down everyone who simply viewed an innocuous GitHub URL is overstepping boundaries and going way too far.
  - raxxorraxor 4y ago
    That I agree on. They should not be provided with IP addresses at all. And even if I doubt they have a handle to sanction these users.
ramblerman 4y ago
You should be able to say whatever you want - I support that. Does that mean I have to let you into my house, or show you the text messages between me and my wife. There is zero overlap here - you are conflating 2 completely distinct issues.
- nake 4y ago
  You’re the one conflating issues. No one said anything about forcing people to divulge their private messages. The difference here is that this leaked source code can no longer be considered private after the moment it leaks to the general public. Don’t want your proprietary code leaking? Make better hiring decisions and implement better technical safeguards against it. Just because you fail to secure your code shouldn’t give you the legal power to dox everyone who viewed it on a public repository and seize their machines in an attempt to claw back the code.
- flipgimble 4y ago
  you just explained why its not particularly wise or desirable to be a "absolutist" about anything and Musk either doesn't know what that word means or is an example of a performative contradiction. "say whatever you want" does indeed include talking about your private messages, if you have access to them like Musk may with private DMs, and if that is what you want. You may want to reflect on the meaning and implications of your words.

Has there ever been a person with less integrity than Elon Musk? He claims to be a “free speech absolutist” then turns around and does the exact opposite.

by nake 4y ago

Has there ever been a person with less integrity than Elon Musk? He claims to be a “free speech absolutist” then turns around and does the exact opposite.

pseudokawaii 4y ago

Recently he signed a letter to seize any larger scale AI research than GPT-4 saying the scary growth of AI will threaten humanity. And just today he tweeted "If you don't like reality, just ignore it"

ihatepython 4y ago

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consumer451 4y ago

Well for one thing, absolutism appears to mostly be a fool's errand. Thinking about Musk saying that reminded me that I use that people speaking in absolutes as a heuristic for what I think is unwisdom.

anonyfox 4y ago

money/power corrupts. always. I do believe that he was a different person just like 10 years ago. then mortal problems stopped having any meaning to him and he derailed into the right-wing billionaire's club. nowadays its only propaganda and seeking the reinforcement loop feeling that he still is a smart dude and not an asshole - to the point he buys social media platforms to megaphone his own thoughts and supress critics when he gets away with it.

autoexec 4y ago
> seeking the reinforcement loop feeling that he still is a smart dude I'm not sure buying twitter did him any favors in that department.

raxxorraxor 4y ago

Free speech doesn't mean that code needs to be open source. It would be appreciated, but I don't see the relation here. I don't get how you can profit from Twitters source code though. I think the configuration of its infrastructure is the larger problem. Perhaps there are some neat ideas to solve certain problems, but there are dozens of open source twitter clones already. I doubt these are worse than that with what Twitter started with, on the contrary.

nake 4y ago
No one said anything about code “needing” to be open source. The issue here is that code became public the moment it was uploaded to a public repository. Just because your organization has reckless hiring practices and fails to secure its proprietary code shouldn’t entitle you to be able to use the legal system to doxx every IP who viewed it on a public website in an attempt to track them down seize their machines and claw back the code. How would you feel if I posted a snippet of the leaked code here in this comment and then tomorrow you receive a legal summons or your house gets raided in an attempt to make sure you don’t have a copy?
- seunosewa 4y ago
  The copyright law doesn't work like that. Uploading to GitHub doesn't invalidate your ownership.
  - nake 4y ago
    So they should file a takedown request. Trying to track down everyone who simply viewed an innocuous GitHub URL is overstepping boundaries and going way too far.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  That I agree on. They should not be provided with IP addresses at all. And even if I doubt they have a handle to sanction these users.

ramblerman 4y ago

You should be able to say whatever you want - I support that. Does that mean I have to let you into my house, or show you the text messages between me and my wife. There is zero overlap here - you are conflating 2 completely distinct issues.

nake 4y ago
You’re the one conflating issues. No one said anything about forcing people to divulge their private messages. The difference here is that this leaked source code can no longer be considered private after the moment it leaks to the general public. Don’t want your proprietary code leaking? Make better hiring decisions and implement better technical safeguards against it. Just because you fail to secure your code shouldn’t give you the legal power to dox everyone who viewed it on a public repository and seize their machines in an attempt to claw back the code.
flipgimble 4y ago
you just explained why its not particularly wise or desirable to be a "absolutist" about anything and Musk either doesn't know what that word means or is an example of a performative contradiction. "say whatever you want" does indeed include talking about your private messages, if you have access to them like Musk may with private DMs, and if that is what you want. You may want to reflect on the meaning and implications of your words.