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Intel is still doing something similar - the cheaper CPUs from the 13th gen have cores from the previous 12th generation. But some OEM processors come with the

Intel is still doing something similar - the cheaper CPUs from the 13th gen have cores from the previous 12th generation. But some OEM processors come with the newer raptor lake cores. https://www.hwcooling.net/en/not-every-core-i5-13400f-is-the-same-raptor-b0-vs-alder-c0-lake-review/ https://www.hwcooling.net/en/not-every-core-i5-13400f-is-the...

ilyt 4y ago
I thought I had no trust left for Intel to lose, but now I lost that little sliver of trust that I didn't knew I still had
- juujian 4y ago
  Out of all the things they have done this is the straw that broke the camel's back for you? If it has the advertised number of lanes, performance, etc., then it wouldn't affect me if I bought it, no? And if it did not have the advertised feature then it would be fraud and I would have a recourse? It's the same socket after all and I will never see how many nanometers the chips are. The i3's are locked down hard anyways.
- deelowe 4y ago
  If this surprises you, I've got some bad news for you. Everyone does binning. Go buy 1000 5% resistors and test them. Instead of a normal distribution of tolerances, you'll find that there's an interesting trough around -2% to +2%. That's because all of the resistors are made using the same process and the lower tolerance ones are binned and sold at a higher price. Same goes for silicon. The dies are largely the same. Only later in the process, they get binned to a lower spec cpu by selectively disabling features. Generally, this is because the chip doesn't meet some spec, but there are cases where this is simple done to meet demand.
  - ilyt 4y ago
    Not talking about binning, but getting previous generation of core in your "new" CPU. >Go buy 1000 5% resistors and test them. Instead of a normal distribution of tolerances, you'll find that there's an interesting trough around -2% to +2%. EEVBLog tested the 1% ones and it had gaussian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WAhTdWErrU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WAhTdWErrU which means it couldn't really be 5% but binned Also 5% are usually carbon while 1% are metal film so no, try again.
    - dschuler 4y ago
      The top comment in the video mentions someone's experience with resistor binning with a batch of 10% resistors having no samples under 5%. Anyway, the resistors binned for tighter tolerances aren't going to have to have a trough in the center of the distribution - they'll have cutoffs on either side. Binnig can be repeated for any tolerance desired, so carbon vs metal film doesn't have anything to do with it.

ilyt 4y ago

I thought I had no trust left for Intel to lose, but now I lost that little sliver of trust that I didn't knew I still had

juujian 4y ago
Out of all the things they have done this is the straw that broke the camel's back for you? If it has the advertised number of lanes, performance, etc., then it wouldn't affect me if I bought it, no? And if it did not have the advertised feature then it would be fraud and I would have a recourse? It's the same socket after all and I will never see how many nanometers the chips are. The i3's are locked down hard anyways.
deelowe 4y ago
If this surprises you, I've got some bad news for you. Everyone does binning. Go buy 1000 5% resistors and test them. Instead of a normal distribution of tolerances, you'll find that there's an interesting trough around -2% to +2%. That's because all of the resistors are made using the same process and the lower tolerance ones are binned and sold at a higher price. Same goes for silicon. The dies are largely the same. Only later in the process, they get binned to a lower spec cpu by selectively disabling features. Generally, this is because the chip doesn't meet some spec, but there are cases where this is simple done to meet demand.
- ilyt 4y ago
  Not talking about binning, but getting previous generation of core in your "new" CPU. >Go buy 1000 5% resistors and test them. Instead of a normal distribution of tolerances, you'll find that there's an interesting trough around -2% to +2%. EEVBLog tested the 1% ones and it had gaussian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WAhTdWErrU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WAhTdWErrU which means it couldn't really be 5% but binned Also 5% are usually carbon while 1% are metal film so no, try again.
  - dschuler 4y ago
    The top comment in the video mentions someone's experience with resistor binning with a batch of 10% resistors having no samples under 5%. Anyway, the resistors binned for tighter tolerances aren't going to have to have a trough in the center of the distribution - they'll have cutoffs on either side. Binnig can be repeated for any tolerance desired, so carbon vs metal film doesn't have anything to do with it.