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We've already had some experiments about "what if we select politicians based on their love for being on TV and their lack of concern about concealing their cor

We've already had some experiments about "what if we select politicians based on their love for being on TV and their lack of concern about concealing their corruption" and the results aren't good...

ben_w 4y ago
Public figures kinda need to be narcissistic just to be able to face seeing themselves so much each day. And that includes the good ones. I'm more worried about the fact that humans are, collectively at least, so hypocritical. For the following examples, bare in mind that neither I nor the general public understand the actual laws, so any nits you pick need to be the kind that even a non-lawyer will accept: I'm old enough to remember Clinton being impeached for lying about his affairs, and yet Republicans (collectively) are defending Trump for lying about affairs. Or vice versa, Trump's classified documents at home vs. Biden's. Probably the same elsewhere, but I don't trust that I'm not part of the problem with regard to UK politics (where I'm from), and my German isn't good enough to pay attention to what's happening where I now live.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  >I'm more worried about the fact that humans are, collectively at least, so hypocritical. Humans are violent too. If we tried as hard to train it out of people we'd make good progress.
  - omniglottal 4y ago
    Violence serves a purpose - although it doesn't serve this purppose well, it stands in place as a last resort. Removing that resort, what do you propose replaces it for the purposes which must be served?
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      I meant that we could train out hypocrisy the same way we train out most of the violence.
bregma 4y ago
For example, how many showers a day can a person take and "forget" to get dressed?
- rs999gti 4y ago
  > and "forget" to get dressed? The old Ted Kennedy maneuver
headsoup 4y ago
You mean Zelensky?
BurningFrog 4y ago
If you mean Trump, a lot of people think the results were great.
- lib-dev 4y ago
  A lot of people are brainwashed.
  - Clubber 4y ago
    >A lot of people are brainwashed. On both sides. It's all theater like WWE. You have the good guy and you have the heel. Each side has their own story with this format.
Aunche 4y ago
Much earlier than Trump, politicians discovered that they could further advance their own interests by virtue signaling during Congressional sessions instead of actually make progress on legislation. Now, all meaningful negotiation happens behinds closed doors. If that also gets broadcast, then I'd be surprised if they get anything done at all.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > now, all meaningful negotiation happens behinds closed doors This is fundamental to loss aversion and compromise. There was never a "before." Open "negotiations" reward posturing, not compromise.

We've already had some experiments about "what if we select politicians based on their love for being on TV and their lack of concern about concealing their corruption" and the results aren't good...

ben_w 4y ago

Public figures kinda need to be narcissistic just to be able to face seeing themselves so much each day. And that includes the good ones. I'm more worried about the fact that humans are, collectively at least, so hypocritical. For the following examples, bare in mind that neither I nor the general public understand the actual laws, so any nits you pick need to be the kind that even a non-lawyer will accept: I'm old enough to remember Clinton being impeached for lying about his affairs, and yet Republicans (collectively) are defending Trump for lying about affairs. Or vice versa, Trump's classified documents at home vs. Biden's. Probably the same elsewhere, but I don't trust that I'm not part of the problem with regard to UK politics (where I'm from), and my German isn't good enough to pay attention to what's happening where I now live.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>I'm more worried about the fact that humans are, collectively at least, so hypocritical. Humans are violent too. If we tried as hard to train it out of people we'd make good progress.
- omniglottal 4y ago
  Violence serves a purpose - although it doesn't serve this purppose well, it stands in place as a last resort. Removing that resort, what do you propose replaces it for the purposes which must be served?
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
    I meant that we could train out hypocrisy the same way we train out most of the violence.

bregma 4y ago

For example, how many showers a day can a person take and "forget" to get dressed?

rs999gti 4y ago
> and "forget" to get dressed? The old Ted Kennedy maneuver

headsoup 4y ago

You mean Zelensky?

BurningFrog 4y ago

If you mean Trump, a lot of people think the results were great.

lib-dev 4y ago
A lot of people are brainwashed.
- Clubber 4y ago
  >A lot of people are brainwashed. On both sides. It's all theater like WWE. You have the good guy and you have the heel. Each side has their own story with this format.

Aunche 4y ago

Much earlier than Trump, politicians discovered that they could further advance their own interests by virtue signaling during Congressional sessions instead of actually make progress on legislation. Now, all meaningful negotiation happens behinds closed doors. If that also gets broadcast, then I'd be surprised if they get anything done at all.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> now, all meaningful negotiation happens behinds closed doors This is fundamental to loss aversion and compromise. There was never a "before." Open "negotiations" reward posturing, not compromise.