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Middle mouse button is paste instead of autoscroll with seemingly no global way to change it Unix was the first to start using 3 button mice as standard, almos

by dagw 4y ago

Middle mouse button is paste instead of autoscroll with seemingly no global way to change it Unix was the first to start using 3 button mice as standard, almost a decade before they really showed up in Windows world, and paste on middle mouse click has always been the standard behaviour in the Unix world, so changing it now would be very weird for *nix users. Whether Linux should follow the common Unix defaults or Windows defaults for their UI/UX has been a long running debate in the community. I would personally be really confused and annoyed if I sat down at a Linux machine and middle click didn't paste, because that is the behaviour I've been seeing for literally 25 years.

bytehowl 4y ago
Well, sticking with outdated 30-year-old defaults seems to be par for the course when it comes to Linux. I just wish there was an OPTION to change them (especially when Linux fans keep pushing the narrative about how much more customizable it is).
- cycomanic 4y ago
  Why outdated? The Linux way of copy paste (or better select and middle click) is so much better than using ctrl+c/v, if you want to stick to your inferior behaviour that's fine (I have a mouse wheel for scrolling) a quick Google brought up this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101867/make-mouse-movements-scroll-when-the-middle-button-is-held-down https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101867/make-mouse-m... Just don't force us to use the same behaviour by default.
  - bytehowl 4y ago
    Outdated because it has been replaced by a better feature which has no equivalent anywhere else on the keyboard or mouse on other systems - as far as I can tell, not even Mac with its Unix heritage uses MMB paste. Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V is superior. The shortcuts are easily accessible and you can use it to select and replace a specific part in the middle of text. If you try that with MMB-pasting, you will just overwrite your clipboard with the part of the text you want to replace, due to the selection-to-clipboard feature. The answers from your "quick Google" only provided solutions for specific programs, solutions with self-admitted performance issues and a solution for X11 when I'm on Wayland. At a glance, the latter two look pretty hacky too. Lastly, stop putting words in my mouth. I have said my issue was that the "Middle mouse button is paste instead of autoscroll with seemingly no global way to change it" and "I just wish there was an OPTION to change them". It is YOU who is forcing your defaults on me, without even a consideration that my preference may also be valid.
  - dagw 4y ago
    While I don't agree the parent posters view on the middle mouse, if you actually read the link you posted you would find that none of the answers suggested there actually solve the problem and in fact offer pretty convincing evidence that reproducing the desired behaviour cannot be reasonably done in Linux. Dismissively saying "you're holding it wrong" or posting links to irrelevant forum posts while telling people to RTFM isn't a winning argument for Linux. If you're going to tell someone to RTFM at least make sure you're pointing them to the correct M that contains the answer they're looking for.

by dagw 4y ago

bytehowl 4y ago

Well, sticking with outdated 30-year-old defaults seems to be par for the course when it comes to Linux. I just wish there was an OPTION to change them (especially when Linux fans keep pushing the narrative about how much more customizable it is).

cycomanic 4y ago
Why outdated? The Linux way of copy paste (or better select and middle click) is so much better than using ctrl+c/v, if you want to stick to your inferior behaviour that's fine (I have a mouse wheel for scrolling) a quick Google brought up this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101867/make-mouse-movements-scroll-when-the-middle-button-is-held-down https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101867/make-mouse-m... Just don't force us to use the same behaviour by default.
- bytehowl 4y ago
  Outdated because it has been replaced by a better feature which has no equivalent anywhere else on the keyboard or mouse on other systems - as far as I can tell, not even Mac with its Unix heritage uses MMB paste. Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V is superior. The shortcuts are easily accessible and you can use it to select and replace a specific part in the middle of text. If you try that with MMB-pasting, you will just overwrite your clipboard with the part of the text you want to replace, due to the selection-to-clipboard feature. The answers from your "quick Google" only provided solutions for specific programs, solutions with self-admitted performance issues and a solution for X11 when I'm on Wayland. At a glance, the latter two look pretty hacky too. Lastly, stop putting words in my mouth. I have said my issue was that the "Middle mouse button is paste instead of autoscroll with seemingly no global way to change it" and "I just wish there was an OPTION to change them". It is YOU who is forcing your defaults on me, without even a consideration that my preference may also be valid.
- dagw 4y ago
  While I don't agree the parent posters view on the middle mouse, if you actually read the link you posted you would find that none of the answers suggested there actually solve the problem and in fact offer pretty convincing evidence that reproducing the desired behaviour cannot be reasonably done in Linux. Dismissively saying "you're holding it wrong" or posting links to irrelevant forum posts while telling people to RTFM isn't a winning argument for Linux. If you're going to tell someone to RTFM at least make sure you're pointing them to the correct M that contains the answer they're looking for.