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> I enjoy turning would on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times over, I still think it’s super fun. Because it's what you enjoy doing. What

by notamy 4y ago

> I enjoy turning would on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times over, I still think it’s super fun. Because it's what you enjoy doing. What if I don't enjoy turning wood on a lathe and just want the end product? I ultimately get someone else to do it for me, because I don't want to, and would rather just have the part immediately. I see people talking lately about the possibilities of generating TV shows or similar. When a never-ending stream of truly novel content is available, will the majority of people really trend towards doing other things themselves instead? Will they even discover those things in the first place? Look at how people talk about their kids and their interactions with YouTube, TikTok, ...

ChatGTP 4y ago
Who cares if people want to plug themselves it to the matrix (endless Netflix) and not turn wood anymore ? I think that’s there decision ? We’re all having some sort of existential crisis in tech because we are addicted to work, we identify with it. Personally I just look out the window and dream of being outside with no shoes on walking through the forest or along a beautiful non-polluted beach. My home is here on Earth with other biological creatures and it’s where I’d like to spend my time, it’s all that makes me happy. Honestly if money wasn’t involved I’d love to just do wood work, build my own house, learn to sail, grow my own food and I’d be happy with that.
- notamy 4y ago
  > I think that’s there decision ? It is! But is it really ethical to put the choice there in the first place? Look at how many issues people get from addiction to social media or similar. Scoff at it or not, it can genuinely cause issues for people. Is it really the best idea to push more of that when we already know it's an unhealthy manipulation of a lot of people?
monero-xmr 4y ago
I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. Also a lot of art is intertwined with the artist. The musician, actor, and comedian often have a public persona tied in with their creative output. An AI won’t be relatable in the same way. I can buy mass produced beer at the grocery store. I can also pay 5x the price for artisanal craft beer from my local brewery. I appreciate the latter far more.
- notamy 4y ago
  > I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. My worry is more along the lines of TikTok, YouTube, etc. Look at how scarily good TikTok is at quickly pigeonholing you into your interests. "TikTok but AI-backed and always showing you exactly what you want to see" scares me. I'm not even necessarily worried about 5 or even 10 years down the road from now, but I can see it coming. People already use GPT models for writing papers, books, ... There's Midjourney etc. for image generation from nothing. I'm sure books have already been published this way, and the technology will only get better. What happens when your TikTok feed is always exactly what you want to see, even though the video itself was just generated a moment before? On its own it may not seem like such a bad thing, but there's also exploration of VR and AR, brain implants, ... Do we really want to live in a world where what we consume is primarily just ML-generated content, tailored specifically to the exact user, to the point where there may not even necessarily be shared experiences per se to bond over? Maybe I'm just fatalistic, but this technology has extremely high potential for abuse, and people seem to just ignore the ethics of it more often than not.
  - monero-xmr 4y ago
    Maybe I’m just unique but I dislike Tik Tok, and the art I consume is primarily movies and non-fiction books. People have wants and needs. They need food and shelter. They need medicine and healthcare. They want human companionship and community. They want to travel and see and experience new things. They want to get wasted and party the night away. Fall in love and have kids. Nothing I previously described is going to be radically changed by AI. Entertainment likely will be in fundamental ways, but AI isn’t going to replace flying to Italy and experiencing it for myself.
    - notamy 4y ago
      > Maybe I’m just unique but I dislike Tik Tok, and the art I consume is primarily movies and non-fiction books. This is the trap I keep seeing people on this site fall into. You don't do it, but that's not the same as nobody does it. What about teenagers currently growing up with it? What about when they have kids who are primarily fed this content? ... > They need medicine and healthcare. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35319778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35319778 "Capabilities of GPT-4 on Medical Challenge Problems" It will only improve from here. > They want human companionship and community. [...] Fall in love [...] https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-03-01/replika-users-fell-in-love-with-their-ai-chatbot-companion/102028196 https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-03-01/replika-users... "Replika users fell in love with their AI chatbot companions. Then they lost them" > They want to travel and see and experience new things. [...] AI isn’t going to replace flying to Italy and experiencing it for myself. GPT and Midjourney and etc. may not do this on their own. But current, active research is ongoing for brain implants, there's all sorts of stuff around VR/AR lately, ... If there's a chip in my brain and a synthetic version being pushed in, what's the difference if it "actually happened," if the experience can be synthetically replicated? I just have to remember that it did. This may not be possible today, or in 5 years, or even in 10 years. But someone will eventually make it possible if ethics and legislation don't catch up first.
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by notamy 4y ago

ChatGTP 4y ago

Who cares if people want to plug themselves it to the matrix (endless Netflix) and not turn wood anymore ? I think that’s there decision ? We’re all having some sort of existential crisis in tech because we are addicted to work, we identify with it. Personally I just look out the window and dream of being outside with no shoes on walking through the forest or along a beautiful non-polluted beach. My home is here on Earth with other biological creatures and it’s where I’d like to spend my time, it’s all that makes me happy. Honestly if money wasn’t involved I’d love to just do wood work, build my own house, learn to sail, grow my own food and I’d be happy with that.

notamy 4y ago
> I think that’s there decision ? It is! But is it really ethical to put the choice there in the first place? Look at how many issues people get from addiction to social media or similar. Scoff at it or not, it can genuinely cause issues for people. Is it really the best idea to push more of that when we already know it's an unhealthy manipulation of a lot of people?

monero-xmr 4y ago

I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. Also a lot of art is intertwined with the artist. The musician, actor, and comedian often have a public persona tied in with their creative output. An AI won’t be relatable in the same way. I can buy mass produced beer at the grocery store. I can also pay 5x the price for artisanal craft beer from my local brewery. I appreciate the latter far more.

notamy 4y ago
> I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. My worry is more along the lines of TikTok, YouTube, etc. Look at how scarily good TikTok is at quickly pigeonholing you into your interests. "TikTok but AI-backed and always showing you exactly what you want to see" scares me. I'm not even necessarily worried about 5 or even 10 years down the road from now, but I can see it coming. People already use GPT models for writing papers, books, ... There's Midjourney etc. for image generation from nothing. I'm sure books have already been published this way, and the technology will only get better. What happens when your TikTok feed is always exactly what you want to see, even though the video itself was just generated a moment before? On its own it may not seem like such a bad thing, but there's also exploration of VR and AR, brain implants, ... Do we really want to live in a world where what we consume is primarily just ML-generated content, tailored specifically to the exact user, to the point where there may not even necessarily be shared experiences per se to bond over? Maybe I'm just fatalistic, but this technology has extremely high potential for abuse, and people seem to just ignore the ethics of it more often than not.
- monero-xmr 4y ago
  Maybe I’m just unique but I dislike Tik Tok, and the art I consume is primarily movies and non-fiction books. People have wants and needs. They need food and shelter. They need medicine and healthcare. They want human companionship and community. They want to travel and see and experience new things. They want to get wasted and party the night away. Fall in love and have kids. Nothing I previously described is going to be radically changed by AI. Entertainment likely will be in fundamental ways, but AI isn’t going to replace flying to Italy and experiencing it for myself.
  - notamy 4y ago
    > Maybe I’m just unique but I dislike Tik Tok, and the art I consume is primarily movies and non-fiction books. This is the trap I keep seeing people on this site fall into. You don't do it, but that's not the same as nobody does it. What about teenagers currently growing up with it? What about when they have kids who are primarily fed this content? ... > They need medicine and healthcare. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35319778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35319778 "Capabilities of GPT-4 on Medical Challenge Problems" It will only improve from here. > They want human companionship and community. [...] Fall in love [...] https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-03-01/replika-users-fell-in-love-with-their-ai-chatbot-companion/102028196 https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-03-01/replika-users... "Replika users fell in love with their AI chatbot companions. Then they lost them" > They want to travel and see and experience new things. [...] AI isn’t going to replace flying to Italy and experiencing it for myself. GPT and Midjourney and etc. may not do this on their own. But current, active research is ongoing for brain implants, there's all sorts of stuff around VR/AR lately, ... If there's a chip in my brain and a synthetic version being pushed in, what's the difference if it "actually happened," if the experience can be synthetically replicated? I just have to remember that it did. This may not be possible today, or in 5 years, or even in 10 years. But someone will eventually make it possible if ethics and legislation don't catch up first.

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