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This is probably to the wrong crowd, but Why are orthodox religious people adamant on doing God's way? I mean if you believe everything is part of God's plan wh

This is probably to the wrong crowd, but Why are orthodox religious people adamant on doing God's way? I mean if you believe everything is part of God's plan why can't you just accept the change of lifestyle over decades of human development. Humans built religion, religions didn't make humans.

firstlink 4y ago
> Humans built religion, religions didn't make humans. I wonder if the irony of paraphrasing Christ was intentional? I suspect that you have learned this idiom without realizing its origins.
- dxdm 4y ago
  I think more people than one can come up with this thought independently. It's not a far stretch.
  - firstlink 4y ago
    The phrase is obviously idiomatic: it omits the conclusion one is supposed to draw. I don't intend to defend the very concept of idioms to someone invested in not believing in them or whatever it is that motivated your comment.
jacooper 4y ago
> Humans built religion. No, that's not true, at least for ibrahimic religions
- dxdm 4y ago
  Could you elaborate?
  - jacooper 4y ago
    For every ibrahimic religion there was a messenger/prophet, sometimes multiple. For example, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed. These people didn't create the religion, they were reciting what god said to them, either through their actions or directly writing what was said to them. You might say, "but there were changes to the books after these messengers!" Yes, but not in the case of Islam. But the basic premise is the same, these are God's religions, one prays to god, not to its Prophets.
    - anaganisk 4y ago
      Without humans none of the religions even exist, do we see animals visiting any shrines? Cavemen existed without religions, the origin of religion is humans. They picked a god for that religion.
      - jacooper 4y ago
        Maybe that's what you believe as a nonbeliever. But no, humans didn't create ibrahimic religions. Religions were created by god to steer humans into believing in their creator. I really don't want to continue this conversation as we won't find any consensus on this.
xbmcuser 4y ago
Muslims fast from sunrise to sunset for the them the time change would have an effect as if sunset was at 7 before so they had time to get off from work and break their fast at home. I don't think the time change opposition is for religious reasons but more because of convenience reasons.

firstlink 4y ago

> Humans built religion, religions didn't make humans. I wonder if the irony of paraphrasing Christ was intentional? I suspect that you have learned this idiom without realizing its origins.

dxdm 4y ago
I think more people than one can come up with this thought independently. It's not a far stretch.
- firstlink 4y ago
  The phrase is obviously idiomatic: it omits the conclusion one is supposed to draw. I don't intend to defend the very concept of idioms to someone invested in not believing in them or whatever it is that motivated your comment.

jacooper 4y ago

> Humans built religion. No, that's not true, at least for ibrahimic religions

dxdm 4y ago
Could you elaborate?
- jacooper 4y ago
  For every ibrahimic religion there was a messenger/prophet, sometimes multiple. For example, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed. These people didn't create the religion, they were reciting what god said to them, either through their actions or directly writing what was said to them. You might say, "but there were changes to the books after these messengers!" Yes, but not in the case of Islam. But the basic premise is the same, these are God's religions, one prays to god, not to its Prophets.
  - anaganisk 4y ago
    Without humans none of the religions even exist, do we see animals visiting any shrines? Cavemen existed without religions, the origin of religion is humans. They picked a god for that religion.
    - jacooper 4y ago
      Maybe that's what you believe as a nonbeliever. But no, humans didn't create ibrahimic religions. Religions were created by god to steer humans into believing in their creator. I really don't want to continue this conversation as we won't find any consensus on this.

xbmcuser 4y ago

Muslims fast from sunrise to sunset for the them the time change would have an effect as if sunset was at 7 before so they had time to get off from work and break their fast at home. I don't think the time change opposition is for religious reasons but more because of convenience reasons.