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Completely wrong, I enjoy turning wood on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times over, I still think it’s super fun. Logically it’s pretty easy

Completely wrong, I enjoy turning wood on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times over, I still think it’s super fun. Logically it’s pretty easy to see that automating something is mostly about convenience and money. Anyway if it gets boring you can use whatever supernatural, powers your describing to create you something interesting to do. Children who do finger paintings are doing it for fun and for fun only. There are much more experienced artists then them, but it has nothing to with that. It’s to experience life that is what makes it worth living. I like building a fire in the woods, sitting around it and drinking tea. That’s been done a few times before, it’s still something I hope to do into the future. I actually think we’ve all gone a little mad ?

notamy 4y ago
> I enjoy turning would on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times over, I still think it’s super fun. Because it's what you enjoy doing. What if I don't enjoy turning wood on a lathe and just want the end product? I ultimately get someone else to do it for me, because I don't want to, and would rather just have the part immediately. I see people talking lately about the possibilities of generating TV shows or similar. When a never-ending stream of truly novel content is available, will the majority of people really trend towards doing other things themselves instead? Will they even discover those things in the first place? Look at how people talk about their kids and their interactions with YouTube, TikTok, ...
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Who cares if people want to plug themselves it to the matrix (endless Netflix) and not turn wood anymore ? I think that’s there decision ? We’re all having some sort of existential crisis in tech because we are addicted to work, we identify with it. Personally I just look out the window and dream of being outside with no shoes on walking through the forest or along a beautiful non-polluted beach. My home is here on Earth with other biological creatures and it’s where I’d like to spend my time, it’s all that makes me happy. Honestly if money wasn’t involved I’d love to just do wood work, build my own house, learn to sail, grow my own food and I’d be happy with that.
  - notamy 4y ago
    > I think that’s there decision ? It is! But is it really ethical to put the choice there in the first place? Look at how many issues people get from addiction to social media or similar. Scoff at it or not, it can genuinely cause issues for people. Is it really the best idea to push more of that when we already know it's an unhealthy manipulation of a lot of people?
- monero-xmr 4y ago
  I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. Also a lot of art is intertwined with the artist. The musician, actor, and comedian often have a public persona tied in with their creative output. An AI won’t be relatable in the same way. I can buy mass produced beer at the grocery store. I can also pay 5x the price for artisanal craft beer from my local brewery. I appreciate the latter far more.
  - notamy 4y ago
    > I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. My worry is more along the lines of TikTok, YouTube, etc. Look at how scarily good TikTok is at quickly pigeonholing you into your interests. "TikTok but AI-backed and always showing you exactly what you want to see" scares me. I'm not even necessarily worried about 5 or even 10 years down the road from now, but I can see it coming. People already use GPT models for writing papers, books, ... There's Midjourney etc. for image generation from nothing. I'm sure books have already been published this way, and the technology will only get better. What happens when your TikTok feed is always exactly what you want to see, even though the video itself was just generated a moment before? On its own it may not seem like such a bad thing, but there's also exploration of VR and AR, brain implants, ... Do we really want to live in a world where what we consume is primarily just ML-generated content, tailored specifically to the exact user, to the point where there may not even necessarily be shared experiences per se to bond over? Maybe I'm just fatalistic, but this technology has extremely high potential for abuse, and people seem to just ignore the ethics of it more often than not.
    - monero-xmr 4y ago
      Maybe I’m just unique but I dislike Tik Tok, and the art I consume is primarily movies and non-fiction books. People have wants and needs. They need food and shelter. They need medicine and healthcare. They want human companionship and community. They want to travel and see and experience new things. They want to get wasted and party the night away. Fall in love and have kids. Nothing I previously described is going to be radically changed by AI. Entertainment likely will be in fundamental ways, but AI isn’t going to replace flying to Italy and experiencing it for myself.
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UncleOxidant 4y ago
> Completely wrong, I enjoy turning wood on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times Ok, but I'm guessing that woodworking is a hobby not your source of income? And also, the lathe itself was an "automation" of earlier methods of carving a furniture leg. Would you use a slide rule instead of using a calculator? Maybe a few times, but would you do it consistently in a work setting?
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Call me weird but yes, I actually like doing arithmetic with a pencil and paper ?
euroderf 4y ago
I think about it in terms of ceramics. It's nice to go buy a hand-painted cat-themed coffee mug and use it regularly, but also I want the machine-mass-produced stuff to stock my kitchen shelves.

notamy 4y ago

> I enjoy turning would on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times over, I still think it’s super fun. Because it's what you enjoy doing. What if I don't enjoy turning wood on a lathe and just want the end product? I ultimately get someone else to do it for me, because I don't want to, and would rather just have the part immediately. I see people talking lately about the possibilities of generating TV shows or similar. When a never-ending stream of truly novel content is available, will the majority of people really trend towards doing other things themselves instead? Will they even discover those things in the first place? Look at how people talk about their kids and their interactions with YouTube, TikTok, ...

ChatGTP 4y ago
Who cares if people want to plug themselves it to the matrix (endless Netflix) and not turn wood anymore ? I think that’s there decision ? We’re all having some sort of existential crisis in tech because we are addicted to work, we identify with it. Personally I just look out the window and dream of being outside with no shoes on walking through the forest or along a beautiful non-polluted beach. My home is here on Earth with other biological creatures and it’s where I’d like to spend my time, it’s all that makes me happy. Honestly if money wasn’t involved I’d love to just do wood work, build my own house, learn to sail, grow my own food and I’d be happy with that.
- notamy 4y ago
  > I think that’s there decision ? It is! But is it really ethical to put the choice there in the first place? Look at how many issues people get from addiction to social media or similar. Scoff at it or not, it can genuinely cause issues for people. Is it really the best idea to push more of that when we already know it's an unhealthy manipulation of a lot of people?
monero-xmr 4y ago
I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. Also a lot of art is intertwined with the artist. The musician, actor, and comedian often have a public persona tied in with their creative output. An AI won’t be relatable in the same way. I can buy mass produced beer at the grocery store. I can also pay 5x the price for artisanal craft beer from my local brewery. I appreciate the latter far more.
- notamy 4y ago
  > I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. My worry is more along the lines of TikTok, YouTube, etc. Look at how scarily good TikTok is at quickly pigeonholing you into your interests. "TikTok but AI-backed and always showing you exactly what you want to see" scares me. I'm not even necessarily worried about 5 or even 10 years down the road from now, but I can see it coming. People already use GPT models for writing papers, books, ... There's Midjourney etc. for image generation from nothing. I'm sure books have already been published this way, and the technology will only get better. What happens when your TikTok feed is always exactly what you want to see, even though the video itself was just generated a moment before? On its own it may not seem like such a bad thing, but there's also exploration of VR and AR, brain implants, ... Do we really want to live in a world where what we consume is primarily just ML-generated content, tailored specifically to the exact user, to the point where there may not even necessarily be shared experiences per se to bond over? Maybe I'm just fatalistic, but this technology has extremely high potential for abuse, and people seem to just ignore the ethics of it more often than not.
  - monero-xmr 4y ago
    Maybe I’m just unique but I dislike Tik Tok, and the art I consume is primarily movies and non-fiction books. People have wants and needs. They need food and shelter. They need medicine and healthcare. They want human companionship and community. They want to travel and see and experience new things. They want to get wasted and party the night away. Fall in love and have kids. Nothing I previously described is going to be radically changed by AI. Entertainment likely will be in fundamental ways, but AI isn’t going to replace flying to Italy and experiencing it for myself.
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UncleOxidant 4y ago

> Completely wrong, I enjoy turning wood on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times Ok, but I'm guessing that woodworking is a hobby not your source of income? And also, the lathe itself was an "automation" of earlier methods of carving a furniture leg. Would you use a slide rule instead of using a calculator? Maybe a few times, but would you do it consistently in a work setting?

ChatGTP 4y ago
Call me weird but yes, I actually like doing arithmetic with a pencil and paper ?

euroderf 4y ago

I think about it in terms of ceramics. It's nice to go buy a hand-painted cat-themed coffee mug and use it regularly, but also I want the machine-mass-produced stuff to stock my kitchen shelves.