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I would say no. Broadly speaking, I firmly believe that, to some extent, we're figuring out how to use computers to take the creativity out of what humans like

by notamy 4y ago

I would say no. Broadly speaking, I firmly believe that, to some extent, we're figuring out how to use computers to take the creativity out of what humans like to do outside of work, or rather that it's removing the human experience of creating something from the process outside of simple prompt refinement. If we get to the point where these models can reliably produces the correct thing on the first (few) tries -- and given the current rate of advancement, I believe that this could be possible -- we've effectively removed the process of creation entirely. Sure you can do things the long way, and I'm sure some people will, but people trend towards instant gratification. For a slightly-flawed analogy, it's like playing a video game with cheats. It becomes boring very quickly because oops! suddenly everything is instant and there's no more reward for getting there. It starts to feel worse when I see things like brain implants start to be researched as viable consumer products, VR / "metaverse," ... It feels like we as a species are optimising towards a terrible future when you start putting all the bad uses of these technologies together, because legislation won't catch up fast enough. The Matrix was supposed to be a movie, not an instruction manual.

ChatGTP 4y ago
Completely wrong, I enjoy turning wood on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times over, I still think it’s super fun. Logically it’s pretty easy to see that automating something is mostly about convenience and money. Anyway if it gets boring you can use whatever supernatural, powers your describing to create you something interesting to do. Children who do finger paintings are doing it for fun and for fun only. There are much more experienced artists then them, but it has nothing to with that. It’s to experience life that is what makes it worth living. I like building a fire in the woods, sitting around it and drinking tea. That’s been done a few times before, it’s still something I hope to do into the future. I actually think we’ve all gone a little mad ?
- notamy 4y ago
  > I enjoy turning would on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times over, I still think it’s super fun. Because it's what you enjoy doing. What if I don't enjoy turning wood on a lathe and just want the end product? I ultimately get someone else to do it for me, because I don't want to, and would rather just have the part immediately. I see people talking lately about the possibilities of generating TV shows or similar. When a never-ending stream of truly novel content is available, will the majority of people really trend towards doing other things themselves instead? Will they even discover those things in the first place? Look at how people talk about their kids and their interactions with YouTube, TikTok, ...
  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    Who cares if people want to plug themselves it to the matrix (endless Netflix) and not turn wood anymore ? I think that’s there decision ? We’re all having some sort of existential crisis in tech because we are addicted to work, we identify with it. Personally I just look out the window and dream of being outside with no shoes on walking through the forest or along a beautiful non-polluted beach. My home is here on Earth with other biological creatures and it’s where I’d like to spend my time, it’s all that makes me happy. Honestly if money wasn’t involved I’d love to just do wood work, build my own house, learn to sail, grow my own food and I’d be happy with that.
    - notamy 4y ago
      > I think that’s there decision ? It is! But is it really ethical to put the choice there in the first place? Look at how many issues people get from addiction to social media or similar. Scoff at it or not, it can genuinely cause issues for people. Is it really the best idea to push more of that when we already know it's an unhealthy manipulation of a lot of people?
  - monero-xmr 4y ago
    I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. Also a lot of art is intertwined with the artist. The musician, actor, and comedian often have a public persona tied in with their creative output. An AI won’t be relatable in the same way. I can buy mass produced beer at the grocery store. I can also pay 5x the price for artisanal craft beer from my local brewery. I appreciate the latter far more.
    - notamy 4y ago
      > I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. My worry is more along the lines of TikTok, YouTube, etc. Look at how scarily good TikTok is at quickly pigeonholing you into your interests. "TikTok but AI-backed and always showing you exactly what you want to see" scares me. I'm not even necessarily worried about 5 or even 10 years down the road from now, but I can see it coming. People already use GPT models for writing papers, books, ... There's Midjourney etc. for image generation from nothing. I'm sure books have already been published this way, and the technology will only get better. What happens when your TikTok feed is always exactly what you want to see, even though the video itself was just generated a moment before? On its own it may not seem like such a bad thing, but there's also exploration of VR and AR, brain implants, ... Do we really want to live in a world where what we consume is primarily just ML-generated content, tailored specifically to the exact user, to the point where there may not even necessarily be shared experiences per se to bond over? Maybe I'm just fatalistic, but this technology has extremely high potential for abuse, and people seem to just ignore the ethics of it more often than not.
- UncleOxidant 4y ago
  > Completely wrong, I enjoy turning wood on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times Ok, but I'm guessing that woodworking is a hobby not your source of income? And also, the lathe itself was an "automation" of earlier methods of carving a furniture leg. Would you use a slide rule instead of using a calculator? Maybe a few times, but would you do it consistently in a work setting?
  - ChatGTP 4y ago
    Call me weird but yes, I actually like doing arithmetic with a pencil and paper ?
- euroderf 4y ago
  I think about it in terms of ceramics. It's nice to go buy a hand-painted cat-themed coffee mug and use it regularly, but also I want the machine-mass-produced stuff to stock my kitchen shelves.
csomar 4y ago
> It feels like we as a species are optimising towards a terrible future when you start putting all the bad uses of these technologies together The train departed with Tiktok on this one. I'd say we have nothing to lose with the AI.
- xg15 4y ago
  So you're saying that terrible future is basically already inevitable?
  - cjbgkagh 4y ago
    I would say that Ted Kaczynski was rather optimistic about the possibility of stopping technology and the inevitable negative impacts that would have on our lives. I was never that optimistic.
Gigachad 4y ago
I think this will just encourage the growth of video games for artificial challenges. If AI can program better than me, that might make programming pointless. But if AI can play chess better than me or build better in minecraft, I don’t really care, because I wasn’t playing the game to win, I was playing to play.

by notamy 4y ago

ChatGTP 4y ago

Completely wrong, I enjoy turning wood on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times over, I still think it’s super fun. Logically it’s pretty easy to see that automating something is mostly about convenience and money. Anyway if it gets boring you can use whatever supernatural, powers your describing to create you something interesting to do. Children who do finger paintings are doing it for fun and for fun only. There are much more experienced artists then them, but it has nothing to with that. It’s to experience life that is what makes it worth living. I like building a fire in the woods, sitting around it and drinking tea. That’s been done a few times before, it’s still something I hope to do into the future. I actually think we’ve all gone a little mad ?

notamy 4y ago
> I enjoy turning would on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times over, I still think it’s super fun. Because it's what you enjoy doing. What if I don't enjoy turning wood on a lathe and just want the end product? I ultimately get someone else to do it for me, because I don't want to, and would rather just have the part immediately. I see people talking lately about the possibilities of generating TV shows or similar. When a never-ending stream of truly novel content is available, will the majority of people really trend towards doing other things themselves instead? Will they even discover those things in the first place? Look at how people talk about their kids and their interactions with YouTube, TikTok, ...
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Who cares if people want to plug themselves it to the matrix (endless Netflix) and not turn wood anymore ? I think that’s there decision ? We’re all having some sort of existential crisis in tech because we are addicted to work, we identify with it. Personally I just look out the window and dream of being outside with no shoes on walking through the forest or along a beautiful non-polluted beach. My home is here on Earth with other biological creatures and it’s where I’d like to spend my time, it’s all that makes me happy. Honestly if money wasn’t involved I’d love to just do wood work, build my own house, learn to sail, grow my own food and I’d be happy with that.
  - notamy 4y ago
    > I think that’s there decision ? It is! But is it really ethical to put the choice there in the first place? Look at how many issues people get from addiction to social media or similar. Scoff at it or not, it can genuinely cause issues for people. Is it really the best idea to push more of that when we already know it's an unhealthy manipulation of a lot of people?
- monero-xmr 4y ago
  I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. Also a lot of art is intertwined with the artist. The musician, actor, and comedian often have a public persona tied in with their creative output. An AI won’t be relatable in the same way. I can buy mass produced beer at the grocery store. I can also pay 5x the price for artisanal craft beer from my local brewery. I appreciate the latter far more.
  - notamy 4y ago
    > I think you are under estimating the bar for quality content. There is already an endless stream of content mass produced, whether by automated mechanisms or middling creators. You have to truly believe that epic, genre-defining works of art popular in mass media (not a generated static image but an entire movie or TV series) will be created by AI. My worry is more along the lines of TikTok, YouTube, etc. Look at how scarily good TikTok is at quickly pigeonholing you into your interests. "TikTok but AI-backed and always showing you exactly what you want to see" scares me. I'm not even necessarily worried about 5 or even 10 years down the road from now, but I can see it coming. People already use GPT models for writing papers, books, ... There's Midjourney etc. for image generation from nothing. I'm sure books have already been published this way, and the technology will only get better. What happens when your TikTok feed is always exactly what you want to see, even though the video itself was just generated a moment before? On its own it may not seem like such a bad thing, but there's also exploration of VR and AR, brain implants, ... Do we really want to live in a world where what we consume is primarily just ML-generated content, tailored specifically to the exact user, to the point where there may not even necessarily be shared experiences per se to bond over? Maybe I'm just fatalistic, but this technology has extremely high potential for abuse, and people seem to just ignore the ethics of it more often than not.
UncleOxidant 4y ago
> Completely wrong, I enjoy turning wood on a lathe, this has been automated before a million times Ok, but I'm guessing that woodworking is a hobby not your source of income? And also, the lathe itself was an "automation" of earlier methods of carving a furniture leg. Would you use a slide rule instead of using a calculator? Maybe a few times, but would you do it consistently in a work setting?
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Call me weird but yes, I actually like doing arithmetic with a pencil and paper ?
euroderf 4y ago
I think about it in terms of ceramics. It's nice to go buy a hand-painted cat-themed coffee mug and use it regularly, but also I want the machine-mass-produced stuff to stock my kitchen shelves.

csomar 4y ago

> It feels like we as a species are optimising towards a terrible future when you start putting all the bad uses of these technologies together The train departed with Tiktok on this one. I'd say we have nothing to lose with the AI.

xg15 4y ago
So you're saying that terrible future is basically already inevitable?
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  I would say that Ted Kaczynski was rather optimistic about the possibility of stopping technology and the inevitable negative impacts that would have on our lives. I was never that optimistic.

Gigachad 4y ago

I think this will just encourage the growth of video games for artificial challenges. If AI can program better than me, that might make programming pointless. But if AI can play chess better than me or build better in minecraft, I don’t really care, because I wasn’t playing the game to win, I was playing to play.