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Shockingly, it's drug overdoses. Apparently copious unfulfilling underpaid labor may lead to escapism. Simultaneously we're exporting inflation to our southern

Shockingly, it's drug overdoses. Apparently copious unfulfilling underpaid labor may lead to escapism. Simultaneously we're exporting inflation to our southern neighbors who have a robust, lucrative industry which may lead to conditions favoring that fate.

unmole 4y ago
> Shockingly, it's drug overdoses. Yeah, no. Drug overdoses account for ~100k of the annual 3.4 million deaths. That's less than 3%.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  Its less than 3% of total deaths, but when they happen is important. They do, in fact, account for the falling life expectancy.
  - unmole 4y ago
    > They do, in fact, account for the falling life expectancy. Talk is cheap. Show me the maths.
    - triceratops 4y ago
      People 44 and under accounted for 62% of opioid overdose deaths in 2020. https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/opioid-overdose-deaths-by-age-group/?dataView=1&currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%2235-44%22,%22sort%22:%22desc%22%7D https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/opioid-overdose-de...
      - unmole 4y ago
        The original claim was that lowered life expectancy was due to drug overdoses. Drug overdoses account for only 3% of all deaths. How much does the fact that 62% of them were under 44 move the needle?
        dragonwriter 4y ago
        In 2020, life expectancy was 77 years; an increase of 1% of the total number (before the increase) of deaths occurring at 44 (33 years below expectancy reduces life expectancy by 0.327-ish years on its own.
        triceratops 4y ago
        20k deaths of 70 year olds will have a lot less impact on life expectancy than the same number of deaths in 40 year olds. It's basic arithmetic. Do you not understand how life expectancy is calculated?
        unmole 4y ago
        Again, only 3% of all deaths are from overdoses. If you assume that all of them lived to 77 instead of 44, that would make a difference of about 1 year in total life expectancy.
        bonzini 4y ago
        That's like 20% of the difference in life expectancy with Italy already (drug related deaths in Italy are orders of magnitude less, 300 per year).
        triceratops 4y ago
        > If you assume that all of them lived to 77 instead of 44, 44 or under, not 44.
jimmygrapes 4y ago
Shockingly, glorification of drug use (of all kinds; sugars and attention and plants alike) in all forms of media (which is itself prevalent and pervasive for most) along with similar glorification of rebellion against "normal" creates a maelstrom of influence on people of all ages, beliefs, and origins.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  neither of those things seem to cause mortality though, particularly not this increase in it, so not really pertinent to the discussion here

unmole 4y ago

> Shockingly, it's drug overdoses. Yeah, no. Drug overdoses account for ~100k of the annual 3.4 million deaths. That's less than 3%.

dragonwriter 4y ago
Its less than 3% of total deaths, but when they happen is important. They do, in fact, account for the falling life expectancy.
- unmole 4y ago
  > They do, in fact, account for the falling life expectancy. Talk is cheap. Show me the maths.
  - triceratops 4y ago
    People 44 and under accounted for 62% of opioid overdose deaths in 2020. https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/opioid-overdose-deaths-by-age-group/?dataView=1&currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%2235-44%22,%22sort%22:%22desc%22%7D https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/opioid-overdose-de...
    - unmole 4y ago
      The original claim was that lowered life expectancy was due to drug overdoses. Drug overdoses account for only 3% of all deaths. How much does the fact that 62% of them were under 44 move the needle?
      - dragonwriter 4y ago
        In 2020, life expectancy was 77 years; an increase of 1% of the total number (before the increase) of deaths occurring at 44 (33 years below expectancy reduces life expectancy by 0.327-ish years on its own.
      - triceratops 4y ago
        20k deaths of 70 year olds will have a lot less impact on life expectancy than the same number of deaths in 40 year olds. It's basic arithmetic. Do you not understand how life expectancy is calculated?
        unmole 4y ago
        Again, only 3% of all deaths are from overdoses. If you assume that all of them lived to 77 instead of 44, that would make a difference of about 1 year in total life expectancy.
        bonzini 4y ago
        That's like 20% of the difference in life expectancy with Italy already (drug related deaths in Italy are orders of magnitude less, 300 per year).
        triceratops 4y ago
        > If you assume that all of them lived to 77 instead of 44, 44 or under, not 44.

jimmygrapes 4y ago

Shockingly, glorification of drug use (of all kinds; sugars and attention and plants alike) in all forms of media (which is itself prevalent and pervasive for most) along with similar glorification of rebellion against "normal" creates a maelstrom of influence on people of all ages, beliefs, and origins.

ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
neither of those things seem to cause mortality though, particularly not this increase in it, so not really pertinent to the discussion here