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Ive never experienced anything in my care with doctors that I couldn’t understand with a days worth of research into things like UpToDate. It isn’t complicated.

Ive never experienced anything in my care with doctors that I couldn’t understand with a days worth of research into things like UpToDate. It isn’t complicated. It is largely memorization and application of an algorithm which is just borderline useless for complex conditions that are emerging more modernly.

cguess 4y ago
Have you ever had anything besides a bad cold? Tell me you understand every acronym in this article, and the ability to explain it succinctly to a patient much less to be able to hand off a case to "another" physician https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2206714 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2206714 Doctors and nurses have saved me many times from some very close calls because of decades of experience, training and intuition. That is of course not to mention the friend who beat a deep brain tumor on their brain stem that everyone else told them was inoperable, and now are in medical school themselves for neurology. No LLM is going to pull that out of itself, possibly ever, and certainly not GPT-4 (no one else had ever had the surgery done before, it was novel).
- Madmallard 4y ago
  I have an extremely large amount of experience in this context.
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Veen 4y ago
How do you know that you actually understand a topic as well as a doctor? How do you verify that? It's not unusual for people to think they comprehend a topic at expert level, when in fact they do not. The correlation between confidence and understanding is not a reliable measure. That's why doctors are trained by more expert colleagues who can judge their true understanding, have to take exams, etc.
- Madmallard 4y ago
  I think most people with complicated chronic diseases for more than a few years end up knowing more than most doctors about their condition and related conditions. Doctors are more breadth than depth. But the problem is that depth is what is absolutely necessary in these situations. But there is a lack of that among specialists too, or at least they are not willing to go outside of insurance mandated covered procedures and testing and it creates a really useless and frustrating scenario for the patients. Doesn't matter how much GI doctors know when all they do is scope you. Sure doc scoping is sure going to help people with atypical intolerances, IBS, and any number of modern chronic conditions for which treatments are inadequate. They have to do better!

cguess 4y ago

Have you ever had anything besides a bad cold? Tell me you understand every acronym in this article, and the ability to explain it succinctly to a patient much less to be able to hand off a case to "another" physician https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2206714 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2206714 Doctors and nurses have saved me many times from some very close calls because of decades of experience, training and intuition. That is of course not to mention the friend who beat a deep brain tumor on their brain stem that everyone else told them was inoperable, and now are in medical school themselves for neurology. No LLM is going to pull that out of itself, possibly ever, and certainly not GPT-4 (no one else had ever had the surgery done before, it was novel).

Madmallard 4y ago
I have an extremely large amount of experience in this context.

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Veen 4y ago

How do you know that you actually understand a topic as well as a doctor? How do you verify that? It's not unusual for people to think they comprehend a topic at expert level, when in fact they do not. The correlation between confidence and understanding is not a reliable measure. That's why doctors are trained by more expert colleagues who can judge their true understanding, have to take exams, etc.

Madmallard 4y ago
I think most people with complicated chronic diseases for more than a few years end up knowing more than most doctors about their condition and related conditions. Doctors are more breadth than depth. But the problem is that depth is what is absolutely necessary in these situations. But there is a lack of that among specialists too, or at least they are not willing to go outside of insurance mandated covered procedures and testing and it creates a really useless and frustrating scenario for the patients. Doesn't matter how much GI doctors know when all they do is scope you. Sure doc scoping is sure going to help people with atypical intolerances, IBS, and any number of modern chronic conditions for which treatments are inadequate. They have to do better!