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"Varying degrees of altered state" doesn't equate to "predictable" in my mind, and I struggle to understand why it would to you. The effects of LSD are the cont

"Varying degrees of altered state" doesn't equate to "predictable" in my mind, and I struggle to understand why it would to you. The effects of LSD are the contents of the hallucination - the actual state that is altered. "It alters your mental state" is not so much a prediction as it is an admission of lack of understanding. Everything alters your mental state. That's how your brain functions. If your mental state remained unchanged, you would be brain dead. The question is how it alters your mental state, and all the effects you clump under "hallucinations" are precisely the unpredictable contents. It's medsci for "we don't know".

operatingthetan 4y ago
You misquoted me and then hyperfocused on the misquote. The changes from the drug are predictable because they wouldn't just randomly happen to you without the drug. >Everything alters your mental state. You are overgeneralizing to the point of absurdity and it does not appear that you are interested in a good-faith discussion. The contents of a hallucination and the experience of having a hallucination are distinct. Suggesting that the effect of LSD altering my mental state and me walking out my back door altering my mental state are the same because they both alter the state is absurd. You're obtusely ignoring intensity, impact, duration and that the hallucination and euphoria are different effects.
- hypertele-Xii 4y ago
  > The changes from the drug are predictable because they wouldn't just randomly happen to you without the drug. False. People experience euphoria without LSD, even randomly. There are entire spectrums of neuroconfigurations in which people precisely experience random bouts of euphoria. And that's just one of the effects you listed. In fact, one of the (potentially concerning) effects of LSD is called hallucinogen persisting perception disorder, in which the experience under LSD persists long after its use, and if you bother to read up on it, you'll also find that people who have never taken LSD can randomly experience them, proving you wrong again. > You are overgeneralizing No you are. You're clumping an entire mind-altering experience under "hallucination" and "euphoria". You should start asking, what is being hallucinated, why is the patient euphoric. That's the opposite of generalization. > it does not appear that you are interested in a good-faith discussion. Seems like an admission on your part. I'm speaking from research and experience. I've read books about LSD, I've experimented with it myself, and I've observed and discussed its effects with many people. My faith in what I'm saying is just fine. Accusing me of bad faith is nothing but projection on your part. > The contents of a hallucination and the experience of having a hallucination are distinct. You couldn't be more wrong. The experience of having a hallucination is fundamentally defined by the contents of that hallucination. Seeing hallucinations of your friends stabbing you in your sleep is not the same experience as feeling one with God while the Sun shines on your face. Different content, different experience. > You're obtusely ignoring intensity, impact, duration and that the hallucination and euphoria are different effects. And you're ignoring the actual contents of mental state, arguing in favor of simply measuring everything by "intensity", "impact", and "duration". Do tell, what's the "intensity" of walking through your back door? What's the "impact" of having a religious or spiritual experience? What's the "duration" of learning something about yourself?

operatingthetan 4y ago

You misquoted me and then hyperfocused on the misquote. The changes from the drug are predictable because they wouldn't just randomly happen to you without the drug. >Everything alters your mental state. You are overgeneralizing to the point of absurdity and it does not appear that you are interested in a good-faith discussion. The contents of a hallucination and the experience of having a hallucination are distinct. Suggesting that the effect of LSD altering my mental state and me walking out my back door altering my mental state are the same because they both alter the state is absurd. You're obtusely ignoring intensity, impact, duration and that the hallucination and euphoria are different effects.

hypertele-Xii 4y ago
> The changes from the drug are predictable because they wouldn't just randomly happen to you without the drug. False. People experience euphoria without LSD, even randomly. There are entire spectrums of neuroconfigurations in which people precisely experience random bouts of euphoria. And that's just one of the effects you listed. In fact, one of the (potentially concerning) effects of LSD is called hallucinogen persisting perception disorder, in which the experience under LSD persists long after its use, and if you bother to read up on it, you'll also find that people who have never taken LSD can randomly experience them, proving you wrong again. > You are overgeneralizing No you are. You're clumping an entire mind-altering experience under "hallucination" and "euphoria". You should start asking, what is being hallucinated, why is the patient euphoric. That's the opposite of generalization. > it does not appear that you are interested in a good-faith discussion. Seems like an admission on your part. I'm speaking from research and experience. I've read books about LSD, I've experimented with it myself, and I've observed and discussed its effects with many people. My faith in what I'm saying is just fine. Accusing me of bad faith is nothing but projection on your part. > The contents of a hallucination and the experience of having a hallucination are distinct. You couldn't be more wrong. The experience of having a hallucination is fundamentally defined by the contents of that hallucination. Seeing hallucinations of your friends stabbing you in your sleep is not the same experience as feeling one with God while the Sun shines on your face. Different content, different experience. > You're obtusely ignoring intensity, impact, duration and that the hallucination and euphoria are different effects. And you're ignoring the actual contents of mental state, arguing in favor of simply measuring everything by "intensity", "impact", and "duration". Do tell, what's the "intensity" of walking through your back door? What's the "impact" of having a religious or spiritual experience? What's the "duration" of learning something about yourself?