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You're probably right on the leather. But I stand by the general point, and specifically I think it is idiocy to make any of the following optional in a car-of

You're probably right on the leather. But I stand by the general point, and specifically I think it is idiocy to make any of the following optional in a car-of-the-future starting at $50K. * Xenon headlamps * Automatic keyless entry (seriously? fumbling with keys to unlock the door?) * Homelink I suspect Tesla itself is full of people who agree with this... and that all these obviously silly things were done solely to hit an "under 50,000" starting price point.

jonknee 15y ago
I agree about some of the options, just not options in general. It's a way for them to get the bottom tier price down though which is important for marketing.
gambler 15y ago
I think automatic keyless entry refers to proximity-sensitive door locks that open automatically when you get near the car with the "remote".
- felipemnoa 15y ago
  True story: Two friends are walking towards a car equipped with a proximity-sensitive sensor. The car turns on (without the need to plugin the key or even to take them out) and they drive away. The driver drops her friend at her house and drives off. A few blocks latter the car shuts off. What do you think happened? Turns out the driver had given the keys to her friend for safe keeping while they were shopping at the mall (not sure why so don't ask). Unfortunately the friend forgot to return the keys before she got off.
  - zeroonetwothree 15y ago
    My friend told me a similar story, except that he was dropping off his friend at the airport. After he dropped him off, he drove off, not realizing he didn't have the key till a few miles later...
    - wr1472 15y ago
      My previous car had automatic keyless entry. If the key is not in the car then an audible beep sounds. Be quite difficult to miss that. I wonder if the above anecdotes are based on after market installations?
      - dangrossman 15y ago
        My Nissan Altima beeps too. It also shows a picture of a key and "No Key" on the dashboard if the engine's on but a key isn't in range.
    - illumin8 15y ago
      These stories are actually impossible with keyless entry. My car has keyless entry (2009 Hyundai Genesis) and if the key leaves the vehicle, you get a beep and warning message immediately that says "Key not in vehicle", and the car continues running, forever, until you stop the engine. The only way you could end up somewhere with a non-functional vehicle is if you threw the key out the window (or gave it to a friend), ignored the constant beeping and warning messages, and then proceeded to drive away, park the car, stop the engine, then get out of the car. You still wouldn't be able to lock the car doors without the key. Cars that immediately stopped the engine while driving would be considered a safety hazard and no car company in the world would release a car like that. Imagine if your engine shut off at 70mph on the freeway.
dwynings 15y ago
They're basically copying a strategy that has worked extremely well for Porsche. Three base models with varying degrees of performance + a limited edition version. And then you can expect to spend ~10k in options.
- flomo 15y ago
  Nearly all luxury car companies use this pricing strategy (and this certainly is a luxury car). The base models are often quite stripped, but the dealerships expect you'll want the options and stock accordingly.
  - _delirium 15y ago
    Even non-luxury cars tend to do that, so they can advertise lower base prices. When I bought a Honda Civic, the base price didn't even include air conditioning! All the cars on the dealer's lot did, though; you would've had to special-order if you really wanted the stripped-down base model.
replax 15y ago
While I agree that e.g. the Xenon headlamps or the two USB ports should be standard instead of options, I know some people who would PAY to have to use the keys to lock/unlock their car. I experienced numerous occasions on which I was not able to lock my car because of interfering radio signals.
quatrevingts 15y ago
This is the standard price discrimination tactic that is used all over the auto industry, e.g. $700 for Bluetooth, $3000 nav systems, etc. It's good for getting people to spend as much as they're capable of.
huhtenberg 15y ago
FWIW homelink is all but useless in condo buildings as nearly all newer construction uses dynamic codes. Just can't pair them without the building manager. And that's even not getting into strata bylaws explicitly prohibiting in-car gate openers. So it's reasonable to have it as an option. Automatic keyless entry is likely referring to automatic unlocking based on the proximity of the key fob and/or grabbing a door handle. Though I agree that this should be included by default, the same as Xenons (though these buggers are expensive to replace, could be up to $2K depending on the car).

jonknee 15y ago

I agree about some of the options, just not options in general. It's a way for them to get the bottom tier price down though which is important for marketing.

gambler 15y ago

I think automatic keyless entry refers to proximity-sensitive door locks that open automatically when you get near the car with the "remote".

felipemnoa 15y ago
True story: Two friends are walking towards a car equipped with a proximity-sensitive sensor. The car turns on (without the need to plugin the key or even to take them out) and they drive away. The driver drops her friend at her house and drives off. A few blocks latter the car shuts off. What do you think happened? Turns out the driver had given the keys to her friend for safe keeping while they were shopping at the mall (not sure why so don't ask). Unfortunately the friend forgot to return the keys before she got off.
- zeroonetwothree 15y ago
  My friend told me a similar story, except that he was dropping off his friend at the airport. After he dropped him off, he drove off, not realizing he didn't have the key till a few miles later...
  - wr1472 15y ago
    My previous car had automatic keyless entry. If the key is not in the car then an audible beep sounds. Be quite difficult to miss that. I wonder if the above anecdotes are based on after market installations?
    - dangrossman 15y ago
      My Nissan Altima beeps too. It also shows a picture of a key and "No Key" on the dashboard if the engine's on but a key isn't in range.
  - illumin8 15y ago
    These stories are actually impossible with keyless entry. My car has keyless entry (2009 Hyundai Genesis) and if the key leaves the vehicle, you get a beep and warning message immediately that says "Key not in vehicle", and the car continues running, forever, until you stop the engine. The only way you could end up somewhere with a non-functional vehicle is if you threw the key out the window (or gave it to a friend), ignored the constant beeping and warning messages, and then proceeded to drive away, park the car, stop the engine, then get out of the car. You still wouldn't be able to lock the car doors without the key. Cars that immediately stopped the engine while driving would be considered a safety hazard and no car company in the world would release a car like that. Imagine if your engine shut off at 70mph on the freeway.

dwynings 15y ago

They're basically copying a strategy that has worked extremely well for Porsche. Three base models with varying degrees of performance + a limited edition version. And then you can expect to spend ~10k in options.

flomo 15y ago
Nearly all luxury car companies use this pricing strategy (and this certainly is a luxury car). The base models are often quite stripped, but the dealerships expect you'll want the options and stock accordingly.
- _delirium 15y ago
  Even non-luxury cars tend to do that, so they can advertise lower base prices. When I bought a Honda Civic, the base price didn't even include air conditioning! All the cars on the dealer's lot did, though; you would've had to special-order if you really wanted the stripped-down base model.

replax 15y ago

While I agree that e.g. the Xenon headlamps or the two USB ports should be standard instead of options, I know some people who would PAY to have to use the keys to lock/unlock their car. I experienced numerous occasions on which I was not able to lock my car because of interfering radio signals.

quatrevingts 15y ago

This is the standard price discrimination tactic that is used all over the auto industry, e.g. $700 for Bluetooth, $3000 nav systems, etc. It's good for getting people to spend as much as they're capable of.

huhtenberg 15y ago

FWIW homelink is all but useless in condo buildings as nearly all newer construction uses dynamic codes. Just can't pair them without the building manager. And that's even not getting into strata bylaws explicitly prohibiting in-car gate openers. So it's reasonable to have it as an option. Automatic keyless entry is likely referring to automatic unlocking based on the proximity of the key fob and/or grabbing a door handle. Though I agree that this should be included by default, the same as Xenons (though these buggers are expensive to replace, could be up to $2K depending on the car).