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After getting a lovely neighbor with a straight piped Dodge Challenger, I completely understand the statement "it’s about feeling trapped or helpless when you c

After getting a lovely neighbor with a straight piped Dodge Challenger, I completely understand the statement "it’s about feeling trapped or helpless when you can’t get away from these sounds." Also, if you have a straight piped Dodge Challenger, I assure you your neighbors hate you.

ericpauley 4y ago
Are straight pipes legal where you live? Might consider reporting them if it's truly debilitating/illegal.
- elmerfud 4y ago
  If they live in the United States of America there is no state where straight pipes are legal for road use. Nearly all aftermarket exhaust parts will have a disclaimer that they are off road only. I like fast cars and fast motorcycle, but I hate obnoxious ones. For any street/strip car there's no reason to eliminate the catalytic converter or mufflers. Because the sound is largely about the resonance of the pipe length you can have exceedingly fast cars producing lots of horsepower be reasonably quiet especially at idle and residential speeds. I had a heavily modified trans it was very fast It was a street legal car that I also took to the track for racing. It did have some technically off-road parts like long tube headers and other things that provide performance but it still had catalytic converters and mufflers. Between idle and about 3,000 RPM it was only slightly louder than stock not obnoxious at all above 3,000 RPM usually in the 5,000 to 6,000 range it sounded like it had an open exhaust system due to the residence value of the exhaust piping. So anyway your neighbor is a jerk just to be a jerk and I would begin to lodge complaints with the police until they send someone out there especially if they leave for work at the same time every day and pull them over. Same thing for those Harley-Davidson idiots that want to put on straight pipes.
  - fein 4y ago
    Perhaps not newer cars, but as soon as you register it as a classic (>25 years old), all of those rules and emissions testing goes right out of the window. The only issue you would have is local laws on noisy exhaust. In my state, motorcycles aren't subject to any regulation at all at the machine level. I walked in and registered my 70's two stroke yamaha in minutes.
    - elmerfud 4y ago
      Actually that's not quite true certain states don't have inspection requirements so they never check but any car that was built from the factory with the catalytic converter is required to have a catalytic converter to be a road. A catalytic converter contributes significantly to noise reduction. For most states that would be early '70s when the federal government mandated catalytic converters he same time they started phasing out leaded gasoline. In California their emission requirements are much stricter and it doesn't matter if your car is classic or not all factory emission systems must be present. Now if you have a non-California version of a car that you bring into California it needs to comply to the emissions of wherever it was built but if you have a California version of a car that would have been stripped of its air pump and other things those need to be restored in order to get street legal in California. Don't confuse the testing requirements with the requirements of the federal and state law.
      - rascul 4y ago
        > A catalytic converter contributes significantly to noise reduction. It depends, but the muffler is what mostly reduces the noise. The difference between an OEM cat and a removed cat isn't always that much in my experience.
      - fein 4y ago
        Yes, for cats it's 1975. Interesting but unsurprising to know about California, but I have no reason to ever travel there via classic car, or really for any reason at all.
  - tylerag 4y ago
    Ended up having a lawyer write a letter, got the entire neighborhood to sign it (which shows how pissed I was, since I'm very nonconfrontational), and sent it to his landlord. Funny enough, his landlord is named Elmer, and has the social skills of Elmer Fud.
    - adolph 4y ago
      That is so weird since Mr. Fud seemed very interested in quiet. Elmer's signature catchphrase is, "Shhh. Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting wabbits" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Fudd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Fudd
  - cassac 4y ago
    I don’t think the police will do anything about it anymore. It’s a non violent offense and in the name of de escalation, unless they are robbing a bank at the time, they will just ignore it. Sometimes they won’t even do anything if someone steals your car. I have three sets of plates on my car right now because of stripped screws and it seems nobody is willing to pull me over for it. 4 years ago I would have been pulled over I’m sure of it.
    - elmerfud 4y ago
      The police are like any agency when you make enough noise they will do it. Maybe that noise means you need to get the local media involved and other places but that's just it you got to make noise to get heard. That's what this douchebag is doing with his car So normal people need to make noise up through their city council and their police.
      - cassac 4y ago
        In Minnesota some people had their trailers stolen and dropped into a homeless encampment and the police refused to do anything to avoid a confrontation. Also in Minnesota one cities police refused to recover a stolen vehicle and the citizen had to get help from another jurisdiction. You can make all the noise you want but when the staffing is down 30-60% you might find you aren’t the priority. It’s what the people claim to want so it’s what they are getting.
  - rascul 4y ago
    > If they live in the United States of America there is no state where straight pipes are legal for road use. It may be illegal in Mississippi but there's no state inspection or emissions testing to catch it. If I recall, there's a few other states that don't have inspection or emissions testing also.
- tylerag 4y ago
  I did. The police officer told me that he himself drove a loud sports car, and his neighbors complained to him about it, and we just need to get used to it since it's part of driving a sports car. Needless to say, I was not writing a letter of my compliments to his supervisor.
  - EngManagerIsMe 4y ago
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  - elmerfud 4y ago
    Oh I would not have left that go I had to put that interaction up on YouTube send it to all the news media in City council meetings. Certain sports cars are loud and it's just how they are because at high performance engine will be louder than a Honda Civic with its tiny engine when it's stock. The problem is the modification of adding aftermarket off-road use only emissions equipment. Especially if it's obnoxious to the neighbors.
  - lostlogin 4y ago
    Wonder what would happen if you revved outside his house? I suspect a non zero chance of getting shot.
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xupybd 4y ago
Yeah I have neighbors that have small motorbikes. Here you are limited to 250cc until you get your full license. So there is a market for 250cc bike that rev insanely fast and make a lot of noise. When they leave their culdesac they go full throttle everytime. We are over the road from the culdesac and have a new born. I'm really sick of them waking the baby.
rascul 4y ago
Very minor nit pick. Are you sure it's straight pipes? An aftermarket exhaust system will not typically remove the cats and mufflers and can still be ridiculously loud.
- tylerag 4y ago
  TBH, I'm pretty sure it had some type of resonator to make it even louder than a straight pipe. It had an extremely obnoxious timbre, and having driven vehicles with no muffler (only temporarily!) I'd say this car was significantly louder.

ericpauley 4y ago

Are straight pipes legal where you live? Might consider reporting them if it's truly debilitating/illegal.

elmerfud 4y ago
If they live in the United States of America there is no state where straight pipes are legal for road use. Nearly all aftermarket exhaust parts will have a disclaimer that they are off road only. I like fast cars and fast motorcycle, but I hate obnoxious ones. For any street/strip car there's no reason to eliminate the catalytic converter or mufflers. Because the sound is largely about the resonance of the pipe length you can have exceedingly fast cars producing lots of horsepower be reasonably quiet especially at idle and residential speeds. I had a heavily modified trans it was very fast It was a street legal car that I also took to the track for racing. It did have some technically off-road parts like long tube headers and other things that provide performance but it still had catalytic converters and mufflers. Between idle and about 3,000 RPM it was only slightly louder than stock not obnoxious at all above 3,000 RPM usually in the 5,000 to 6,000 range it sounded like it had an open exhaust system due to the residence value of the exhaust piping. So anyway your neighbor is a jerk just to be a jerk and I would begin to lodge complaints with the police until they send someone out there especially if they leave for work at the same time every day and pull them over. Same thing for those Harley-Davidson idiots that want to put on straight pipes.
- fein 4y ago
  Perhaps not newer cars, but as soon as you register it as a classic (>25 years old), all of those rules and emissions testing goes right out of the window. The only issue you would have is local laws on noisy exhaust. In my state, motorcycles aren't subject to any regulation at all at the machine level. I walked in and registered my 70's two stroke yamaha in minutes.
  - elmerfud 4y ago
    Actually that's not quite true certain states don't have inspection requirements so they never check but any car that was built from the factory with the catalytic converter is required to have a catalytic converter to be a road. A catalytic converter contributes significantly to noise reduction. For most states that would be early '70s when the federal government mandated catalytic converters he same time they started phasing out leaded gasoline. In California their emission requirements are much stricter and it doesn't matter if your car is classic or not all factory emission systems must be present. Now if you have a non-California version of a car that you bring into California it needs to comply to the emissions of wherever it was built but if you have a California version of a car that would have been stripped of its air pump and other things those need to be restored in order to get street legal in California. Don't confuse the testing requirements with the requirements of the federal and state law.
    - rascul 4y ago
      > A catalytic converter contributes significantly to noise reduction. It depends, but the muffler is what mostly reduces the noise. The difference between an OEM cat and a removed cat isn't always that much in my experience.
    - fein 4y ago
      Yes, for cats it's 1975. Interesting but unsurprising to know about California, but I have no reason to ever travel there via classic car, or really for any reason at all.
- tylerag 4y ago
  Ended up having a lawyer write a letter, got the entire neighborhood to sign it (which shows how pissed I was, since I'm very nonconfrontational), and sent it to his landlord. Funny enough, his landlord is named Elmer, and has the social skills of Elmer Fud.
  - adolph 4y ago
    That is so weird since Mr. Fud seemed very interested in quiet. Elmer's signature catchphrase is, "Shhh. Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting wabbits" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Fudd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Fudd
- cassac 4y ago
  I don’t think the police will do anything about it anymore. It’s a non violent offense and in the name of de escalation, unless they are robbing a bank at the time, they will just ignore it. Sometimes they won’t even do anything if someone steals your car. I have three sets of plates on my car right now because of stripped screws and it seems nobody is willing to pull me over for it. 4 years ago I would have been pulled over I’m sure of it.
  - elmerfud 4y ago
    The police are like any agency when you make enough noise they will do it. Maybe that noise means you need to get the local media involved and other places but that's just it you got to make noise to get heard. That's what this douchebag is doing with his car So normal people need to make noise up through their city council and their police.
    - cassac 4y ago
      In Minnesota some people had their trailers stolen and dropped into a homeless encampment and the police refused to do anything to avoid a confrontation. Also in Minnesota one cities police refused to recover a stolen vehicle and the citizen had to get help from another jurisdiction. You can make all the noise you want but when the staffing is down 30-60% you might find you aren’t the priority. It’s what the people claim to want so it’s what they are getting.
- rascul 4y ago
  > If they live in the United States of America there is no state where straight pipes are legal for road use. It may be illegal in Mississippi but there's no state inspection or emissions testing to catch it. If I recall, there's a few other states that don't have inspection or emissions testing also.
tylerag 4y ago
I did. The police officer told me that he himself drove a loud sports car, and his neighbors complained to him about it, and we just need to get used to it since it's part of driving a sports car. Needless to say, I was not writing a letter of my compliments to his supervisor.
- EngManagerIsMe 4y ago
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- elmerfud 4y ago
  Oh I would not have left that go I had to put that interaction up on YouTube send it to all the news media in City council meetings. Certain sports cars are loud and it's just how they are because at high performance engine will be louder than a Honda Civic with its tiny engine when it's stock. The problem is the modification of adding aftermarket off-road use only emissions equipment. Especially if it's obnoxious to the neighbors.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  Wonder what would happen if you revved outside his house? I suspect a non zero chance of getting shot.
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xupybd 4y ago

Yeah I have neighbors that have small motorbikes. Here you are limited to 250cc until you get your full license. So there is a market for 250cc bike that rev insanely fast and make a lot of noise. When they leave their culdesac they go full throttle everytime. We are over the road from the culdesac and have a new born. I'm really sick of them waking the baby.

rascul 4y ago

Very minor nit pick. Are you sure it's straight pipes? An aftermarket exhaust system will not typically remove the cats and mufflers and can still be ridiculously loud.

tylerag 4y ago
TBH, I'm pretty sure it had some type of resonator to make it even louder than a straight pipe. It had an extremely obnoxious timbre, and having driven vehicles with no muffler (only temporarily!) I'd say this car was significantly louder.