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But there was a significant and fast growing market for watches, smartphones and MP3 players. Where is that for VR headsets? It's neither a huge installed mark

by ulfw 4y ago

But there was a significant and fast growing market for watches, smartphones and MP3 players. Where is that for VR headsets? It's neither a huge installed market (watches) nor is it fast growing (smartphones late 2000s).

rgbrgb 4y ago
Agreement phrased as rebuttal?
toast0 4y ago
I'm no fan of Apple, but my impression is that Apple's involvement significantly grew the market of smartwatches, smartphones, and mp3 players. There's a reason people think Apple invented them. I'm a grump, and don't see how you could make VR headsets into a mass market product at this time, but Apple has been good at doing that in the past; MP3 players were probably going to boom otherwise, smartwatches were a bit of a fizzle (imho), but Apple inspired everyone to become smartphone zombies in a way that BlackBerry and Nokia couldn't. Which is not to say everything they touch is gold. AirPorts are dead. Xserve is dead. Not sure if I should mention 90s failures like Newton and Pippin. Apple TV doesn't seem to have the broad reach into non-Apple users that iPod had, etc.
- hnbear 4y ago
  I think Airports died out when Apple realized they didn't need to drive that segment. They were the first decent Wifi APs, and pushed wifi hard as a standard, putting 802.11 into everything very quickly. When every ISP starting bundling APs with their modems it was pointless to compete. Airport Express isn't necessary any more either - they've been replace with HomePods and HomePod Minis. It would be nice to have a dedicated Apple Timemachine box, but plenty of other devices exist in that segment. I think if they wanted they could come up with a mesh solution, or build it into HomePods. But, it's not really necessary, and not an area they'll sell in quantities that make a difference to them. AppleTV is actually a pretty fantastic product, and I love mine, putting them onto TVs, especially the modern ad-filled smart TVs. Dumb TVs are hard to find, so I just don't both connecting the TV to a network, and purely use an AppleTV. The interface beats anything I've seen natively on a TV, and I trust it more than Samsung, LG, etc.

by ulfw 4y ago

rgbrgb 4y ago

Agreement phrased as rebuttal?

toast0 4y ago

I'm no fan of Apple, but my impression is that Apple's involvement significantly grew the market of smartwatches, smartphones, and mp3 players. There's a reason people think Apple invented them. I'm a grump, and don't see how you could make VR headsets into a mass market product at this time, but Apple has been good at doing that in the past; MP3 players were probably going to boom otherwise, smartwatches were a bit of a fizzle (imho), but Apple inspired everyone to become smartphone zombies in a way that BlackBerry and Nokia couldn't. Which is not to say everything they touch is gold. AirPorts are dead. Xserve is dead. Not sure if I should mention 90s failures like Newton and Pippin. Apple TV doesn't seem to have the broad reach into non-Apple users that iPod had, etc.

hnbear 4y ago
I think Airports died out when Apple realized they didn't need to drive that segment. They were the first decent Wifi APs, and pushed wifi hard as a standard, putting 802.11 into everything very quickly. When every ISP starting bundling APs with their modems it was pointless to compete. Airport Express isn't necessary any more either - they've been replace with HomePods and HomePod Minis. It would be nice to have a dedicated Apple Timemachine box, but plenty of other devices exist in that segment. I think if they wanted they could come up with a mesh solution, or build it into HomePods. But, it's not really necessary, and not an area they'll sell in quantities that make a difference to them. AppleTV is actually a pretty fantastic product, and I love mine, putting them onto TVs, especially the modern ad-filled smart TVs. Dumb TVs are hard to find, so I just don't both connecting the TV to a network, and purely use an AppleTV. The interface beats anything I've seen natively on a TV, and I trust it more than Samsung, LG, etc.