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Ahhh there's nothing like getting lectured on a Sunday morning by that one person who thinks they knows all the things that no one else knows. edit: to stay on

by sbarre 4y ago

Ahhh there's nothing like getting lectured on a Sunday morning by that one person who thinks they knows all the things that no one else knows. edit: to stay on topic, I find these comments are useless, and do not contribute to the discussion in any way. It's not backed up with evidence or any kind of data, it's just an opinion, and a hand-wavey one at that.

bruce343434 4y ago
If "we" already "know" this then why does it fucking keep happening?
- endemic 4y ago
  Corporations make more money by selling trash.
syzarian 4y ago
Most of the things you believe are not backed evidence that you are personally aware of. Each of believes things to be even though we have at best only a heuristic argument to support them. It is clear to me that the American diet is poison. We add sugar to everything. It’s hard to buy bacon without sugar added. Our bread is more like pastry. When I lived in Germany the diet felt much better. It would not surprise me to find out that part of the rise of cancer is our over engineered food products.
somenameforme 4y ago
But I think the vast majority of the world "knows"? Poll people on whether they're happy with various chemicals being added or ending up in their food, and the overwhelming majority would oppose it. You might simply claim they're all ignorant. Run that same poll on whether people would approve of dihydrogen monoxide [1] being added to their food, and it'd be right up their on the chopping block for banning. But I don't think trying to trick people proves much. Obviously things like diisononyl phthalate [2] is not just a scary name for an otherwise innocuous substance. It's a scary name for a scary compound that has indeed been proven to be harmful. Nonetheless people are consuming it in large quantities, and governments are remiss to do anything. And it's just one compound among many. Companies making billions of dollars off these products (or other products that contain them) have far more time, motivation, and ability to influence or "influence" government officials than literally anybody else. Science can help somewhat, but it's also regularly coopted as a part of the same influence game. Grants, donations, first party science, and more gray-zone areas of influence are all perfectly standard. In any case, things like diisononyl phthalate have been proven harmful in countless studies. It doesn't matter. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_parody https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_parody [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diisononyl_phthalate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diisononyl_phthalate

by sbarre 4y ago

bruce343434 4y ago

If "we" already "know" this then why does it fucking keep happening?

endemic 4y ago
Corporations make more money by selling trash.

syzarian 4y ago

Most of the things you believe are not backed evidence that you are personally aware of. Each of believes things to be even though we have at best only a heuristic argument to support them. It is clear to me that the American diet is poison. We add sugar to everything. It’s hard to buy bacon without sugar added. Our bread is more like pastry. When I lived in Germany the diet felt much better. It would not surprise me to find out that part of the rise of cancer is our over engineered food products.

somenameforme 4y ago

But I think the vast majority of the world "knows"? Poll people on whether they're happy with various chemicals being added or ending up in their food, and the overwhelming majority would oppose it. You might simply claim they're all ignorant. Run that same poll on whether people would approve of dihydrogen monoxide [1] being added to their food, and it'd be right up their on the chopping block for banning. But I don't think trying to trick people proves much. Obviously things like diisononyl phthalate [2] is not just a scary name for an otherwise innocuous substance. It's a scary name for a scary compound that has indeed been proven to be harmful. Nonetheless people are consuming it in large quantities, and governments are remiss to do anything. And it's just one compound among many. Companies making billions of dollars off these products (or other products that contain them) have far more time, motivation, and ability to influence or "influence" government officials than literally anybody else. Science can help somewhat, but it's also regularly coopted as a part of the same influence game. Grants, donations, first party science, and more gray-zone areas of influence are all perfectly standard. In any case, things like diisononyl phthalate have been proven harmful in countless studies. It doesn't matter. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_parody https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_parody [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diisononyl_phthalate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diisononyl_phthalate