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This will be as successful as Animojis. This headset will have a loyal customer base, will make a big splash, but will not transform computing, creative work,

This will be as successful as Animojis. This headset will have a loyal customer base, will make a big splash, but will not transform computing, creative work, or anything for the everyday user. Apple Watch got so extremely lucky. I do not ever want to see Apple make product decisions like 'well this worked, so let's see if this will, too.' There is zero taste in that, zero craftsmanship, it's just AppleGPT Product Edition. [not done]: Have we really all forgotten how we all fell on our collective a** we were when we saw Mac, iPod, M1, iPhone? How hard is it to know - "guess what, this was kinda 'meh'" vs. "well that changes everything"?

CharlesW 4y ago
> This headset will have a loyal customer base, will make a big splash, but will not transform computing, creative work, or anything for the everyday user. Oooh, I love these "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."-type proclamations. > Apple Watch got so extremely lucky. Breathtaking.
DantesKite 4y ago
How much would you be willing to bet on this?
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- anonymouse008 4y ago
  Probably more than you're comfortable with. Seriously reach out to the email in profile.
cjdoc29 4y ago
I am doubtful their VR product will be great if released within this or next year. > Apple Watch got so extremely lucky But given that others have tried and arguably failed to have the same impact, this is not sizably attributed to luck at all.
- anonymouse008 4y ago
  The digital watch market is like the meme where we see a guy spraying champagne all over himself, kissing his girlfriend, but when we zoom out it's at the bottom tier of tech experience. Apple won it not because their watch is 'great' - but because they have such brand cache that they could sell 100m of anything once the market learns about them. Airport could absolutely come back and sell that amount, taken into consideration 6 watches == one household == ~1-3 airports - with the marketing budget they used on Watch. Long story short, they are in a precarious position. They must make something to stay relevant with financial markets, their manufacturing pipeline, keep operationally excellent with sourcing, etc... so it's not meant to be a full 'knock' on them. The 'knock' comes in taking that chance twice with a shrug from your top execs 'well the watch worked out, let's see if this does' - that's just not it.
  - cjdoc29 4y ago
    > but because they have such brand cache that they could sell 100m of anything once the market learns about them I partially disagree with this argument. They sold some 10 million units in 2016 - it might be that because of the success and ubiquity of iPods and iPhones in the decade leading up to this, that people thought that the first Apple Watch was a great product (it wasn't, really IMO). Brand cache, or whatever, sure. But you don't sell nearly 60 million units in 2021 off luck.
    - anonymouse008 4y ago
      Let's put it in these terms: The number of Apple customers from iPod that transitioned to iPhone was x%, The number of iPhone to AirPods was y% The number of iPhone to Watch was z% z < y z < x in a cumulative measure from a time frame of 3 years from launch. Defining the proportion of current customers to converted sales is where one can play words with defining luck vs. skill vs. rent-seeking. If you have billions units and only convert 20% vs. other products that convert 75%, then maybe one is considered inferior to the other - and to which I confer the title of luck. Now the fun question would be if x < y or the other way around.
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CharlesW 4y ago

> This headset will have a loyal customer base, will make a big splash, but will not transform computing, creative work, or anything for the everyday user. Oooh, I love these "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."-type proclamations. > Apple Watch got so extremely lucky. Breathtaking.

DantesKite 4y ago

How much would you be willing to bet on this?

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anonymouse008 4y ago
Probably more than you're comfortable with. Seriously reach out to the email in profile.

cjdoc29 4y ago

I am doubtful their VR product will be great if released within this or next year. > Apple Watch got so extremely lucky But given that others have tried and arguably failed to have the same impact, this is not sizably attributed to luck at all.

anonymouse008 4y ago
The digital watch market is like the meme where we see a guy spraying champagne all over himself, kissing his girlfriend, but when we zoom out it's at the bottom tier of tech experience. Apple won it not because their watch is 'great' - but because they have such brand cache that they could sell 100m of anything once the market learns about them. Airport could absolutely come back and sell that amount, taken into consideration 6 watches == one household == ~1-3 airports - with the marketing budget they used on Watch. Long story short, they are in a precarious position. They must make something to stay relevant with financial markets, their manufacturing pipeline, keep operationally excellent with sourcing, etc... so it's not meant to be a full 'knock' on them. The 'knock' comes in taking that chance twice with a shrug from your top execs 'well the watch worked out, let's see if this does' - that's just not it.
- cjdoc29 4y ago
  > but because they have such brand cache that they could sell 100m of anything once the market learns about them I partially disagree with this argument. They sold some 10 million units in 2016 - it might be that because of the success and ubiquity of iPods and iPhones in the decade leading up to this, that people thought that the first Apple Watch was a great product (it wasn't, really IMO). Brand cache, or whatever, sure. But you don't sell nearly 60 million units in 2021 off luck.
  - anonymouse008 4y ago
    Let's put it in these terms: The number of Apple customers from iPod that transitioned to iPhone was x%, The number of iPhone to AirPods was y% The number of iPhone to Watch was z% z < y z < x in a cumulative measure from a time frame of 3 years from launch. Defining the proportion of current customers to converted sales is where one can play words with defining luck vs. skill vs. rent-seeking. If you have billions units and only convert 20% vs. other products that convert 75%, then maybe one is considered inferior to the other - and to which I confer the title of luck. Now the fun question would be if x < y or the other way around.
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