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His points, paraphrased by me: * Gnome 2 had a lot of themes but since then, there aren't that many. * Compiz fun is gone. * Wayland limits the number of sup

His points, paraphrased by me: * Gnome 2 had a lot of themes but since then, there aren't that many. * Compiz fun is gone. * Wayland limits the number of supported desktops. * The desktop is more complicated and it's harder to tinker. * He believes that customisability (should) set FOSS apart from proprietary software.

_fat_santa 4y ago
I would get his argument if say there was just Ubuntu, and Gnome was the only desktop in town, but it isn't. You have XFCE, LXDE, KDE, and not to mention the litany of window managers out there that either run a standalone desktop or on top of another desktop. I occasionally look over on /r/unixporn and see some of the crazy wm configs people have put together. And if you just like the good ol' days of gnome 2 then go install mate (Gnome 2 fork) or trinity (KDE 3.5 fork)
gjsman-1000 4y ago
Many companies and now projects have come to a realization: Customizability = Complexity = More Maintenance FOSS groups can’t really afford to have a bajillion options they need to maintain and test compatibility between them. Also, maintenance (especially for free) isn’t fun.
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  > Customizability = Complexity = More Maintenance There's truth to this but the extent to which it's true I think depends on how much the system was built customizability in mind. So for extensive customizability to work without being a serious impediment to development, it needs to be a goal from the start, and most cases it isn't — it's more common for that type of feature to be bolted on further down the road.
esarbe 4y ago
It's the last point that rubs me. FOSS should be whatever the developers decide it should be. It's not up to the users to decide what requirements a piece of software should fulfill.
karmakaze 4y ago
Thanks for the summary. I don't see anything there of concern (to me). - I'm not leaning into Gnome (or Ubuntu/Canonical) - Don't need my desktop to be fun, it should get out of the way for the real fun - Can't say I've ever used more than 4 desktops The last two seem particular to individual desktops or opinion.
johnny22 4y ago
is compiz fun really gone though? You can have debates about the rest of it, but it seems like folks really have kept most of the compiz stuff like wobbly and burning windows alive :)

_fat_santa 4y ago

I would get his argument if say there was just Ubuntu, and Gnome was the only desktop in town, but it isn't. You have XFCE, LXDE, KDE, and not to mention the litany of window managers out there that either run a standalone desktop or on top of another desktop. I occasionally look over on /r/unixporn and see some of the crazy wm configs people have put together. And if you just like the good ol' days of gnome 2 then go install mate (Gnome 2 fork) or trinity (KDE 3.5 fork)

gjsman-1000 4y ago

Many companies and now projects have come to a realization: Customizability = Complexity = More Maintenance FOSS groups can’t really afford to have a bajillion options they need to maintain and test compatibility between them. Also, maintenance (especially for free) isn’t fun.

kitsunesoba 4y ago
> Customizability = Complexity = More Maintenance There's truth to this but the extent to which it's true I think depends on how much the system was built customizability in mind. So for extensive customizability to work without being a serious impediment to development, it needs to be a goal from the start, and most cases it isn't — it's more common for that type of feature to be bolted on further down the road.

esarbe 4y ago

It's the last point that rubs me. FOSS should be whatever the developers decide it should be. It's not up to the users to decide what requirements a piece of software should fulfill.

karmakaze 4y ago

Thanks for the summary. I don't see anything there of concern (to me). - I'm not leaning into Gnome (or Ubuntu/Canonical) - Don't need my desktop to be fun, it should get out of the way for the real fun - Can't say I've ever used more than 4 desktops The last two seem particular to individual desktops or opinion.

johnny22 4y ago

is compiz fun really gone though? You can have debates about the rest of it, but it seems like folks really have kept most of the compiz stuff like wobbly and burning windows alive :)