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> That it is Ukraine bombing their own cities just to make Russia look bad. So you know how I feel about people suggesting that Russia bombed the Nord Stream p

• hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  Who cares about the Nord Stream these days? It was completely discredited even before it was blown up, just like Schroeder. Nobody wants it, not even the people who pushed for it inside Germany, not to mention other countries.
  • brvsft 4y ago
    So first I was told that Russia blew it up to cut off natural gas supplies so that some European nations would have a very cold and bad winter. Now it's discredited even before it was blown up. Okay.
    • msm_ 4y ago
      I think NordStream is a great example. It was a big deal. I'm actually surprised that you're the only one that mentioned it. Everyone (I know and discussed with) agrees that Ukrainians obviously didn't bomb their cities, but everyone (including me) would also prefer to blame Russia for exploding NordStream, even if that doesn't make sense (unless it was a huge false flag). It's a tough pill to swallow, but (at least in my circles) most people did it and after the initial shock entertain the possibility that it was actually done by the US/EU. Just to be clear: it doesn't really change my perspective on the war or anything else - whoever did this was putting pressure on Russia and I support it. This move made "peace supporters" sponsored by Russia toothless, and cemented European support for Ukraine.
      • hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
        > It's a tough pill to swallow Why? There are only benefits and no downsides.