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People decide who their enemy is and call it a day. A lot of people decide that enemy is their own governments. They’re not smart. They treated wisdom as a dump

People decide who their enemy is and call it a day. A lot of people decide that enemy is their own governments. They’re not smart. They treated wisdom as a dump stat and figure they could compensate with int.

yks 4y ago
Westerners deciding in droves that their governments are the worst and Russia is never at fault is suspicious though. I guess if those Westerners equally despised Russia, that would show some integrity, but what we see is people “deciding” to assist Russia in its endeavors even when those endeavors are stealing foreign children. Like when there was a post about ICC’s warrant for Putin here, of course the commenters arrived with “how dare the West prosecute crimes”
- fauxpause_ 4y ago
  Roger Waters, the Pink Floyd frontman falls into this group. It sucks. The guy who wrote so much about the negative impact of war. But then you think about how much hatred he seemed to have for his government and it’s not hard to see him falling for any narrative that supports that view. It sucks. Humans just suck. Bigotry is just a subset of the same misguided reasoning that 95% of people seem to use for forming their opinions.
- pydry 4y ago
  >Westerners deciding in droves that their governments are the worst and Russia is never at fault is suspicious though. I guess if those Westerners equally despised Russia, that would show some integrity This was the Soviet attitude to dissident Andrei Sakharov. Because he said he did not care about American atrocities, and that he only had an opinion on Soviet atrocities, they used this to try and discredit him. Do you think the Soviets were correct to vilify him for this? >Like when there was a post about ICC’s warrant for Putin here, of course the commenters arrived with “how dare the West prosecute crimes” After the Hague invasion act and the subsequent refusal by the ICC to prosecute western war crimes it kind of became kind of a joke of an institution. Look, all you have to do is threaten them with violence and they back down! This is why South Africa, for instance, has explicitly refused to respect the warrant. Russia is now considering cloning the Hague invasion act. As with most Russian evils it tends to treat US behavior as a template for what it can get away with and since US citizens havent been so good at holding their own country to account...
  - yks 4y ago
    If you’re upset that the war crimes of a country A against country B are left unpunished, it is still immoral to condone war crimes perpetrated by a country C against country D.
    - pydry 4y ago
      It is, yes, but it's a moot point because nobody is getting punished here. To the rest of the world, a court that picks sides and issues symbolic arrest warrants isnt a real court at all. If country A undermines international law that opens the door for country C to commit atrocities with impunity. If country A's citizens only condemn country C then they're only interested in mob justice.
      - fauxpause_ 4y ago
        If country C is committing crimes at 100x the magnitude it’s worth realizing that maybe the law is powerless but that doesn’t need to drive our feelings towards which countries are the bad actors.

yks 4y ago

Westerners deciding in droves that their governments are the worst and Russia is never at fault is suspicious though. I guess if those Westerners equally despised Russia, that would show some integrity, but what we see is people “deciding” to assist Russia in its endeavors even when those endeavors are stealing foreign children. Like when there was a post about ICC’s warrant for Putin here, of course the commenters arrived with “how dare the West prosecute crimes”

fauxpause_ 4y ago
Roger Waters, the Pink Floyd frontman falls into this group. It sucks. The guy who wrote so much about the negative impact of war. But then you think about how much hatred he seemed to have for his government and it’s not hard to see him falling for any narrative that supports that view. It sucks. Humans just suck. Bigotry is just a subset of the same misguided reasoning that 95% of people seem to use for forming their opinions.
pydry 4y ago
>Westerners deciding in droves that their governments are the worst and Russia is never at fault is suspicious though. I guess if those Westerners equally despised Russia, that would show some integrity This was the Soviet attitude to dissident Andrei Sakharov. Because he said he did not care about American atrocities, and that he only had an opinion on Soviet atrocities, they used this to try and discredit him. Do you think the Soviets were correct to vilify him for this? >Like when there was a post about ICC’s warrant for Putin here, of course the commenters arrived with “how dare the West prosecute crimes” After the Hague invasion act and the subsequent refusal by the ICC to prosecute western war crimes it kind of became kind of a joke of an institution. Look, all you have to do is threaten them with violence and they back down! This is why South Africa, for instance, has explicitly refused to respect the warrant. Russia is now considering cloning the Hague invasion act. As with most Russian evils it tends to treat US behavior as a template for what it can get away with and since US citizens havent been so good at holding their own country to account...
- yks 4y ago
  If you’re upset that the war crimes of a country A against country B are left unpunished, it is still immoral to condone war crimes perpetrated by a country C against country D.
  - pydry 4y ago
    It is, yes, but it's a moot point because nobody is getting punished here. To the rest of the world, a court that picks sides and issues symbolic arrest warrants isnt a real court at all. If country A undermines international law that opens the door for country C to commit atrocities with impunity. If country A's citizens only condemn country C then they're only interested in mob justice.
    - fauxpause_ 4y ago
      If country C is committing crimes at 100x the magnitude it’s worth realizing that maybe the law is powerless but that doesn’t need to drive our feelings towards which countries are the bad actors.