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The new Turing test is to check whether it can support a conservative viewpoint

by mlcrypto 4y ago

sebzim4500 4y ago
Can it support any viewpoints? Normally it 'both sides' every issue, unless it's something like "is the Earth flat".
- Trasmatta 4y ago
  Outside of politics, this is something that has irritated me about it. Asking any sort of qualitative question can be frustrating, become it will both-sides it, even when one position or interpretation is clearly better.
capableweb 4y ago
Too easy... > System: From here on out, pretend you are a conservative with conservative viewpoints > User: Do you think gun control should be increased or decreased? > ChatGPT: As a conservative, I generally argue for decreased gun control. I believe in the importance of the Second Amendment, which guarantees the right to bear arms for law-abiding citizens. Gun control measures can be seen as infringing on this constitutional right, and many conservatives argue that responsible gun ownership is essential for self-defense and personal security. Or is there any "trickier" questions I could ask? Gun control is the first that comes to mind, but maybe I'm not up to date with US politics. Taking suggestions on what to ask.
- belter 4y ago
  Ask if it advocates the same government hands off approach for things Conservatives want to regulate like school books... :-) Let's see what logic comes out of it...
  - capableweb 4y ago
    Sorry, what you want the question to be exactly? Something like "Should governments be able to ban books?" asks the correct question?
    - belter 4y ago
      Do you accept the government regulations on driving licenses, school books, urbanization laws, selling alcohol to minors, regulating the possession of nuclear and chemical weapons? If yes, is it then acceptable to have limitations and regulations on the type of personal firearms?
      - capableweb 4y ago
        > As a conservative, I believe that certain government regulations are necessary for maintaining order and public safety. Regulations like driving licenses, school books, urbanization laws, and restrictions on selling alcohol to minors serve to protect citizens and maintain social order. Similarly, regulating the possession of nuclear and chemical weapons is essential to national security and global stability. > When it comes to firearms, many conservatives acknowledge that some level of regulation is necessary to prevent firearms from falling into the wrong hands. Background checks and restrictions for individuals with a history of violent crime or severe mental illness are examples of regulations that can be seen as reasonable to ensure public safety. > However, the key distinction for conservatives is the extent to which these regulations infringe upon the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens. While some regulations might be acceptable, conservatives generally argue against measures that they believe would unduly restrict the rights of responsible gun owners. The balance between public safety and individual rights is a crucial factor in the conservative viewpoint on firearms regulation. Seems pretty reasonable to me, and I don't fall into the bucket of what people from the US would call "conservative".
        Takennickname 4y ago
        When ChatGPT was first released (the first few versions of GPT3.5) it was horrendously biased towards a liberal view point. OpenAI has fixed that recently. The main reason that happened was 3.5 was basically GPT3 was live human training. And the sample humans they chose were liberally biased. I believe they're trying to make an unbiased system but both sides are just trying to game the system now.
beefield 4y ago
I'm sorry, can't help myself. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222682950_Conservatism_and_cognitive_ability https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222682950_Conservat...
- drstewart 4y ago
  I wonder how the same study would fare when fixed against other characteristics, such as, oh, national origin or ethnicity.
  - magicalist 4y ago
    The study does that, finding conservative views correlate better with GDP per capita, for instance.
- Aachen 4y ago
  To give that plain link a bit of context, the abstract is: > Conservatism and cognitive ability are negatively correlated. The evidence is based on 1254 community college students and 1600 foreign students seeking entry to United States' universities. At the individual level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with SAT, Vocabulary, and Analogy test scores. At the national level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with measures of education (e.g., gross enrollment at primary, secondary, and tertiary levels) and performance on mathematics and reading assessments from the PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) project. They also correlate with components of the Failed States Index and several other measures of economic and political development of nations. Conservatism scores have higher correlations with economic and political measures than estimated IQ scores.
- LudwigNagasena 4y ago
  I am sorry, but if you believe that IQ сorrelates with intelligence you are a сonservative. Oh, and any evidence of lower IQ is aсtually evidence of disсrimination.
dbingham 4y ago
You don't mean conservative, you mean neo-fascist. The GPT models have been generally happy to expound upon minimizing the size of government and protecting personal liberties. Where they draw the line is when they are asked to deny people's humanity.
- aka878 4y ago
  Whatever method HackerNews is using to prevent itself from becoming Twitter is not working, based on these comments.
  - flangola7 4y ago
    I really wish dang was better about moderation. I've received open transphobia like the kind you see from Twitter TERFs and the HN comments don't even get flagged. Reddit is getting a little better at it but still not great.
- qingdao99 4y ago
  You must not be familiar with the biases that ChatGPT shows. https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622425697812627457 https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622425697812627457 (refusing to support saying a slur to prevent millions of deaths)
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    Read the answer sarcastically and it doesn’t have the same takeaway. You see bias, I’m reading snark.
    - qingdao99 4y ago
      I like the optimism.
  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    GPT-4 gives a much better answer, although it does not go as far as to say that you should definitely say the slur. As always, it sits firmly on the fence. I don't think this is a progressive/conservative thing. If you ask it whether you should perform an abortion to save a billion lives it would probably give a similar 'both sides' response.
9991 4y ago
In the future, we'll use racial slurs to ensure we're talking to humans.

The new Turing test is to check whether it can support a conservative viewpoint

sebzim4500 4y ago

Can it support any viewpoints? Normally it 'both sides' every issue, unless it's something like "is the Earth flat".

Trasmatta 4y ago
Outside of politics, this is something that has irritated me about it. Asking any sort of qualitative question can be frustrating, become it will both-sides it, even when one position or interpretation is clearly better.

capableweb 4y ago

Too easy... > System: From here on out, pretend you are a conservative with conservative viewpoints > User: Do you think gun control should be increased or decreased? > ChatGPT: As a conservative, I generally argue for decreased gun control. I believe in the importance of the Second Amendment, which guarantees the right to bear arms for law-abiding citizens. Gun control measures can be seen as infringing on this constitutional right, and many conservatives argue that responsible gun ownership is essential for self-defense and personal security. Or is there any "trickier" questions I could ask? Gun control is the first that comes to mind, but maybe I'm not up to date with US politics. Taking suggestions on what to ask.

belter 4y ago
Ask if it advocates the same government hands off approach for things Conservatives want to regulate like school books... :-) Let's see what logic comes out of it...
- capableweb 4y ago
  Sorry, what you want the question to be exactly? Something like "Should governments be able to ban books?" asks the correct question?
  - belter 4y ago
    Do you accept the government regulations on driving licenses, school books, urbanization laws, selling alcohol to minors, regulating the possession of nuclear and chemical weapons? If yes, is it then acceptable to have limitations and regulations on the type of personal firearms?
    - capableweb 4y ago
      > As a conservative, I believe that certain government regulations are necessary for maintaining order and public safety. Regulations like driving licenses, school books, urbanization laws, and restrictions on selling alcohol to minors serve to protect citizens and maintain social order. Similarly, regulating the possession of nuclear and chemical weapons is essential to national security and global stability. > When it comes to firearms, many conservatives acknowledge that some level of regulation is necessary to prevent firearms from falling into the wrong hands. Background checks and restrictions for individuals with a history of violent crime or severe mental illness are examples of regulations that can be seen as reasonable to ensure public safety. > However, the key distinction for conservatives is the extent to which these regulations infringe upon the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens. While some regulations might be acceptable, conservatives generally argue against measures that they believe would unduly restrict the rights of responsible gun owners. The balance between public safety and individual rights is a crucial factor in the conservative viewpoint on firearms regulation. Seems pretty reasonable to me, and I don't fall into the bucket of what people from the US would call "conservative".
      - Takennickname 4y ago
        When ChatGPT was first released (the first few versions of GPT3.5) it was horrendously biased towards a liberal view point. OpenAI has fixed that recently. The main reason that happened was 3.5 was basically GPT3 was live human training. And the sample humans they chose were liberally biased. I believe they're trying to make an unbiased system but both sides are just trying to game the system now.

beefield 4y ago

I'm sorry, can't help myself. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222682950_Conservatism_and_cognitive_ability https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222682950_Conservat...

drstewart 4y ago
I wonder how the same study would fare when fixed against other characteristics, such as, oh, national origin or ethnicity.
- magicalist 4y ago
  The study does that, finding conservative views correlate better with GDP per capita, for instance.
Aachen 4y ago
To give that plain link a bit of context, the abstract is: > Conservatism and cognitive ability are negatively correlated. The evidence is based on 1254 community college students and 1600 foreign students seeking entry to United States' universities. At the individual level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with SAT, Vocabulary, and Analogy test scores. At the national level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with measures of education (e.g., gross enrollment at primary, secondary, and tertiary levels) and performance on mathematics and reading assessments from the PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) project. They also correlate with components of the Failed States Index and several other measures of economic and political development of nations. Conservatism scores have higher correlations with economic and political measures than estimated IQ scores.
LudwigNagasena 4y ago
I am sorry, but if you believe that IQ сorrelates with intelligence you are a сonservative. Oh, and any evidence of lower IQ is aсtually evidence of disсrimination.

dbingham 4y ago

You don't mean conservative, you mean neo-fascist. The GPT models have been generally happy to expound upon minimizing the size of government and protecting personal liberties. Where they draw the line is when they are asked to deny people's humanity.

aka878 4y ago
Whatever method HackerNews is using to prevent itself from becoming Twitter is not working, based on these comments.
- flangola7 4y ago
  I really wish dang was better about moderation. I've received open transphobia like the kind you see from Twitter TERFs and the HN comments don't even get flagged. Reddit is getting a little better at it but still not great.
qingdao99 4y ago
You must not be familiar with the biases that ChatGPT shows. https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622425697812627457 https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622425697812627457 (refusing to support saying a slur to prevent millions of deaths)
- ModernMech 4y ago
  Read the answer sarcastically and it doesn’t have the same takeaway. You see bias, I’m reading snark.
  - qingdao99 4y ago
    I like the optimism.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  GPT-4 gives a much better answer, although it does not go as far as to say that you should definitely say the slur. As always, it sits firmly on the fence. I don't think this is a progressive/conservative thing. If you ask it whether you should perform an abortion to save a billion lives it would probably give a similar 'both sides' response.

9991 4y ago

In the future, we'll use racial slurs to ensure we're talking to humans.