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What do you think would happen to people going around and taking pictures of the damage in Mariupol while it’s under occupation?

EGreg 4y ago
Nothing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmkfQtlr67k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmkfQtlr67k Life is returning back to normal after a horrific battle that did not need to happen. Most civilians don’t care so much under which government they live, they just want health and safety first and foremost. Governments and states create the problems, in my opinion. Politicians should serve the people, not create war. In an ideal world, the states would be replaced with agencies that compete for yearly contracts from neighborhoods. Instead of killing civilians for a flag, the civilians would renew contracts for roads, police etc. from competing agencies and none of it would be bundled together in “a state”.
- jgilias 4y ago
  I didn’t want to spell it out, but apparently I must. They’d end up in torture chambers like in Kherson: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/torture-chambers-ukraines-kherson-financed-by-russian-state-investigators-2023-03-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/torture-chambers-ukrain...
  - 93po 4y ago
    I'm glad corporate news is now properly classifying waterboarding as torture.
  - throwaway742 4y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GPZ7uRwwcE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GPZ7uRwwcE
    - relaxmusic 4y ago
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- jgilias 4y ago
  I do agree though that the battle didn’t need to happen. Russia could’ve just not attacked Ukraine.
- yks 4y ago
  > Most civilians Most civilians that remained, which is a very different number and group of people from civilians before invasion. This is almost trivially true, if you don't have a reason or desire to leave a town bombed to bits for several months, then you don't care about your government. People who cared or were candidates to be tortured, left before that. And being a torture chamber candidate required as little as having tattoos or speaking your native language, the language that people who never even lived in your country decided is not real. Genocide is real though and genocidal war is very different from "government changed who cares"
0cVlTeIATBs 4y ago
Just like sister comment said, people are showing videos of driving around Mariupol. If should be clear to see how the incentives of Ukrainians and Russians are polar opposite, yet they will both use truth as a weapon of war. I.e. the Russian equivalent of this website shows rebuilt, functioning cities.

EGreg 4y ago

Nothing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmkfQtlr67k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmkfQtlr67k Life is returning back to normal after a horrific battle that did not need to happen. Most civilians don’t care so much under which government they live, they just want health and safety first and foremost. Governments and states create the problems, in my opinion. Politicians should serve the people, not create war. In an ideal world, the states would be replaced with agencies that compete for yearly contracts from neighborhoods. Instead of killing civilians for a flag, the civilians would renew contracts for roads, police etc. from competing agencies and none of it would be bundled together in “a state”.

jgilias 4y ago
I didn’t want to spell it out, but apparently I must. They’d end up in torture chambers like in Kherson: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/torture-chambers-ukraines-kherson-financed-by-russian-state-investigators-2023-03-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/torture-chambers-ukrain...
- 93po 4y ago
  I'm glad corporate news is now properly classifying waterboarding as torture.
- throwaway742 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GPZ7uRwwcE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GPZ7uRwwcE
  - relaxmusic 4y ago
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jgilias 4y ago
I do agree though that the battle didn’t need to happen. Russia could’ve just not attacked Ukraine.
yks 4y ago
> Most civilians Most civilians that remained, which is a very different number and group of people from civilians before invasion. This is almost trivially true, if you don't have a reason or desire to leave a town bombed to bits for several months, then you don't care about your government. People who cared or were candidates to be tortured, left before that. And being a torture chamber candidate required as little as having tattoos or speaking your native language, the language that people who never even lived in your country decided is not real. Genocide is real though and genocidal war is very different from "government changed who cares"

0cVlTeIATBs 4y ago

Just like sister comment said, people are showing videos of driving around Mariupol. If should be clear to see how the incentives of Ukrainians and Russians are polar opposite, yet they will both use truth as a weapon of war. I.e. the Russian equivalent of this website shows rebuilt, functioning cities.