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>People brainwashed into supporting Russia do not deny the scale of devastation and human tragedy. They just attribute it to the Ukrainian military. So I compl

>People brainwashed into supporting Russia do not deny the scale of devastation and human tragedy. They just attribute it to the Ukrainian military. So I completely disagree here, because it's not an either or. You're right that people brainwashed into supporting Russia will, in certain circumstances, accept that the destruction is real but attribute it to Ukraine. And I completely agree with your pessimism. But the logic of propaganda, and of a brain consumed by propaganda, is a hall of mirrors full of contradictions. Where convenient, and where possible, the scale of destruction will be denied, and where it can't be denied, it will be explained away. Propaganda can't be defeated by disputing individual one-off statements, the totality of the system of propaganda has to be shown to be so full of contradictions that it takes more effort to sustain than it does to accept the truth.

HopenHeyHi 4y ago
This guy absolutely gets it. However I'd just like to add a small detail: It is not enough to try and fish one person out of propaganda because often on some deep level they know. They have lost trust in their friends, family, society, so they go along with the lie because they are sure everybody else will go along with the lie. So they pick the blue pill. They know. How the USSR Collapsed on Soviet TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgT-wR29aIU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgT-wR29aIU
- RajT88 4y ago
  This is sort of my take on the Jan. 6 "Big Lie" folks. Deep down, they know. That is why there has not been a repeat of Jan. 6, because when there are signs that the National Guard will be deployed, or just that security and police will offer proper resistence, the organizers tell everyone to stand down. They say that justice is worth dying for, but that is not how they behave. Contrast with many other uprisings in the world where people have been oppressed for decades and are ready to die for the cause.
  - HopenHeyHi 4y ago
    I would caution you to think that you are immune from what troubles these people and from falling into an us vs them mentality. The big lie thing would not be possible if not for the many little lies, they weren't galvanized for no reason nor is there any guarantee it won't repeat if nothing changes.

HopenHeyHi 4y ago

This guy absolutely gets it. However I'd just like to add a small detail: It is not enough to try and fish one person out of propaganda because often on some deep level they know. They have lost trust in their friends, family, society, so they go along with the lie because they are sure everybody else will go along with the lie. So they pick the blue pill. They know. How the USSR Collapsed on Soviet TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgT-wR29aIU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgT-wR29aIU

RajT88 4y ago
This is sort of my take on the Jan. 6 "Big Lie" folks. Deep down, they know. That is why there has not been a repeat of Jan. 6, because when there are signs that the National Guard will be deployed, or just that security and police will offer proper resistence, the organizers tell everyone to stand down. They say that justice is worth dying for, but that is not how they behave. Contrast with many other uprisings in the world where people have been oppressed for decades and are ready to die for the cause.
- HopenHeyHi 4y ago
  I would caution you to think that you are immune from what troubles these people and from falling into an us vs them mentality. The big lie thing would not be possible if not for the many little lies, they weren't galvanized for no reason nor is there any guarantee it won't repeat if nothing changes.