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A little bit like how people can still believe an election was “stolen”?
by ed_elliott_asc 4y ago
A little bit like how people can still believe an election was “stolen”?
- FredPret 4y ago2016 or 2020?
- calderknight 4y agoBoth I presume.
- ed_elliott_asc 4y agoAnd all future ones with such rigid controls in place
- michaelt 4y ago2000, my boy Al Gore was robbed by that butterfly ballot UX
- akimball 4y agoNo, it was Roger Stone and SCotus that overturned the vote in Florida.
- tossawayone23 4y agoNo it was karl rove using internet connected hacked election machines.
- akimball 4y agoYou're thinking of the Alabama and Ohio Senate races.
- CamperBob2 4y agoTo my way of thinking, when a vote comes down to a margin that narrow, something else is seriously wrong. Frankly, democracy is probably not the right model when that kind of polarization is present. There's a term that applied in other fields to large-scale systems that are that incredibly sensitive to their input parameters: chaos.
- Timon3 4y agoIs this a serious question? I'm not from the US, and though I follow your politics I of course have a limited perspective - but is it really a common perspective to draw an equivalence between the claims regarding election integrity for 2016 and 2020?
- rossdavidh 4y agoSpeaking from my own American perspective, with both progressive and conservative friends, the answer to your question about whether it is a common perspective, is "yes". For the last several elections, whichever side loses thinks the election was stolen.
- snozolli 4y agoWeird. The only Democrats or liberals I've heard complain that an election was stolen were talking about the Bush vs Gore, where the Supreme Court decided that it could make the call. Maybe you're talking about Gerrymandering, which is a very real method of undermining democracy, but I've never heard anyone refer to it as election theft.
- rossdavidh 4y agoMostly the 2016 talk revolved around the idea that the electoral college was illegitimate, and Hillary Clinton's majority of the popular vote should have been what determined the presidency.
- TechBro8615 4y agoConfidence in the previous election generally falls along partisan lines, where those who supported the loser are more skeptical than those who supported the winner. You're probably familiar with Republican skepticism about 2020, so I'll point you to the numbers on Democrat skepticism about 2016. In 2018, 66% of Democrats [0] believed it was "definitely true or somewhat true" that "Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Donald Trump elected president." Moreover, in January 2017, during the certification of the 2016 election, Democrat legislators made objections to votes from more states than did Republicans in January 2021. [1] [0] https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/03/09/russias-impact-election-seen-through-partisan-eyes https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20... [1] https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-democrats-object-more-states-2016-republicans-2020-1561407 https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-democrats-object-mor...
- CamperBob2 4y agoHRC conceded the next day. Trump incited a riot. But yeah, totes the same, BSAB.
- FredPret 4y agoNot the same. But I remember both Democrats and Republicans bleating on about stolen elections for years after 2016 and 2020. Maybe it's a good thing I stopped watching late-night comedy!
- yks 4y agoThis false equivalence of things is another Russian propaganda method. The US bombed Iraq? Therefore Russia has a right to genocide peoples and annex territories. Someone said “not my president” in 2017? Therefore Republicans are entitled to coercing officials to throw out votes they don’t like.